Phenomenal Effort if the guys figures are correct.

Decent_Left said:
Where are these stocks being thrown away? What you suggest is almost precisely what happened in 2 centres near me for the Pfizer jab. 3 Day shelf like and the centres have the police and Fire Brigade on call to use up any no shows every night.
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I believe Nottingham was the center highlighted in the report I read. They were adminsitering to police officers at the end of the day, according to the report but lots were being discarded.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I've noted over the years how common it is for working clsss Tory voters to demand of people something that they're incapable of themselves.
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I’m not sure that justifies your comment.
I’ve noted many things in life of other people it doesn’t mean I have to follow suit.
 
Laughing said:
I believe Nottingham was the center highlighted in the report I read. They were adminsitering to police officers at the end of the day, according to the report but lots were being discarded.
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Can you quantify these "lots" ? 20, 50, 100, 200 ?

With the storage conditions/shelf life for the Pfizer vaccine there was always going to be losses. Over 3 million people have been vaccinated and the rate is increasing daily yet all some people can do is to jump on the fact that a few hundred doses have had to be discarded because certain vaccination centres hadn't quite got their acts together at the start.
 
Konrad_the_Barbarian said:
Can you quantify these "lots" ? 20, 50, 100, 200 ?

With the storage conditions/shelf life for the Pfizer vaccine there was always going to be losses. Over 3 million people have been vaccinated and the rate is increasing daily yet all some people can do is to jump on the fact that a few hundred doses have had to be discarded because certain vaccination centres hadn't quite got their acts together at the start.
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Part of the problem has also been people not turning up to appointments and not informing their GP's of this, so others could take their place
 
Laughing said:
I believe Nottingham was the center highlighted in the report I read. They were adminsitering to police officers at the end of the day, according to the report but lots were being discarded.
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Well I'm sorry to hear some are being discarded. The way it was described to me was (& this was just for the Pfizer jab centres) was Police and Fire first and when they ran out (which would be ages as the no shows were around 5-10 on a 3 day cycle) they had Royal Mail distribution centres next on the list and after this would consider councils and the bin men.

This may sound haphazard but it was simply a case of a few phone calls which started along the lines of "would you be interested" and was done at the local community level e.g local police stations not the entire county force. This was at the end of last week but the centres were proud that wastage was literally zero.
 
Decent_Left said:
Between 10 & 15 is a minority. Importantly how would that rank up against MMR take up?
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I found this on MMR and others from a year or so ago, there are concerns with the vaccine numbers declining there.

there.https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/26/drop-in-vaccination-rates-in-england-alarming-experts-warn
 
Cooper671 said:
I was watching the press preview last night on sky and the journalist from liverpool echo even stated that vaccine roll out we are way ahead of europe which are not doing a great job of it. There are few reports kicking about saying we are making a mess of it but i think thats political point scoring. Long may these numbers continue
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Think it's the first time in the whole pandemic where I think the government is doing ok. So far.
 
Konrad_the_Barbarian said:
Can you quantify these "lots" ? 20, 50, 100, 200 ?

With the storage conditions/shelf life for the Pfizer vaccine there was always going to be losses. Over 3 million people have been vaccinated and the rate is increasing daily yet all some people can do is to jump on the fact that a few hundred doses have had to be discarded because certain vaccination centres hadn't quite got their acts together at the start.
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Probably because the government have demonstrated time and time again they are crap, perhaps.
 
Laughing said:
Exactly this. The government are offering vaccines to 80 year olds that have to travel 90 miles for their shot and don't turn up. Stocks are being thrown away due to this. They should be offered to the staff at the vaccination center then anyone walking by.
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That's what is happening. Was told that a hospital books people on batches of 20. Only 18 turned up on this particular day so they phoned around hospital to get two doses to people not vaccinated.
 
Laughing said:
Exactly this. The government are offering vaccines to 80 year olds that have to travel 90 miles for their shot and don't turn up. Stocks are being thrown away due to this. They should be offered to the staff at the vaccination center then anyone walking by.
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They are.

My friend's wife is volunteering at the vaccination centre and at the end of the day the volunteers were vaccinated with spare vaccine.
 
newusername said:
They are.

My friend's wife is volunteering at the vaccination centre and at the end of the day the volunteers were vaccinated with spare vaccine.
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What? I just assumed the volunteers would be given the vaccine before they started.
 
Laughing said:
Let me put it this way Konrad, if credit is due, I will be more than happy to give it. Let's wait and see if they can't screw this up first eh?
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The govt may be responsible in some way for the vaccination in an overarching manner, but the 'boots on the ground' operational, logistical implementation of the vaccination programme is the role of other organisations. The govt cant screw this up by virtue of the fact they are not involved at that level. The value proposal is such that organisations have been specifically created to carry out testing and vaccination, and others to support them in doing so effectively and efficiently, which we are. The govt are only very loosely able to bid for any credit, that should be apportioned to other organisations which are doing the work and currently that work is both very successful and productive; this work is making a great impact already and will continue to gather pace
 
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"the government" are blamed or praised for a great many things they have little to no impact on. People just like to apportion blame for stuff rather than find out why stuff happens. They also like to argue with other people who hold opposing views. We are competitive animals.
 
Artie Fufkin said:
The govt may be responsible in some way for the vaccination in an overarching manner, but the 'boots on the ground' operational, logistical implementation of the vaccination programme is the role of other organisations. The govt cant screw this up by virtue of the fact they are not involved at that level. The value proposal is such that organisations have been specifically created to carry out testing and vaccination, and others to support them in doing so effectively and efficiently, which we are. The govt are only very loosely able to bid for any credit, that should be apportioned to other organisations which are doing the work and currently that work is both very successful and productive; this work is making a great impact already and will continue to gather pace
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I agree with that to a large degree Artie. The government, I assume are responsible for procurement and probably use a third party for distribution. This is the area I expect things to go wrong.

The decision to delay the second vaccination may turn out to be a masterstroke, or maybe not, time will tell on that decision.

I have no doubt that putting healthcare poroblems in the hands of healthcare proffessionals is generally a good idea. The tories don't necessarily agree with this approach, I don't know why, profit mayhap.
 
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