Planned riot in Middlesborough last weekend.

Mysonpat. said:
Exactly, at present the country is having around 1.4 children per couple, on the horizon is a population collapse and its not just here it covers most of western Europe.
When we left the EU, we replaced, Polish, Romanian, Latvian etc with Indian , Nigerian etc.
There needs to be a proper grown up discussion about it, as they come and do the work for pittance in and work in industries that we all don't want to do.
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People with bricks and balaclavas don’t have the capacity or desire for grown up conversations, they’re the problem
 
Frozen Horse said:
There has been an attempt to make the Southport murders about Islam, but I have yet to see any link between the individual involved and Islam. As far as I'm aware, his family moved here from a strongly Christian country, and he comes from a Christian family. I realize that the right wing has tried to relate these killings to Islam, but that is their agenda, not anyone else's.
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They’ll just move the goalposts from Muslims to a broader immigrants and claim they are right
 
Ian Bairds Ears said:
Right I'm going to have a go at an opinion
As is my entitled right in a democracy with free speech....
Not hate speech not incitement not seeking violence

This country ( great Britain...united kingdom however you choose to label it...England.. even)

There have been generations of incoming pakistanis..Jamaicans....west Indians...Indians.. for many years the vast majority of whom came over looking for a new life and finding it

Generations later they are British and consider themselves so.

Fab

Now however...extremist Muslims have by enlarge taken over the agenda and are winning

They are winning because they are making the average British person hateful /suspicious of their peace loving religion

The bad guys are winning

Islamic sharia law and the treatment of women has to be controlled as its not the British way

It never will be

But we have already lost
We have Muslim strongholds in places like Blackburn where the average person is Islamist

I know so many Muslim lads and some of them are dodgy obviously like British people but most of them are great lads and lasses who contribute nothing but good.

The bad guys are winning

The extremists who want war are winning

There is a religious war coming without a doubt and I for one want to get off the world on many an occasion

What we need is a one love..peace party ...John Lennon style....seriously people who march for peace and harmony

But this won't happen

As an atheist once said...

" what's all the fuss about " just grow up and lead a good life as an individual and a family

Help your fellow human and be kind to them
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I’ve never read so much rubbish. Extremist Muslims are a super tiny minority and are not making the average person suspicious of Islam. The Far Right are inciting hate and making false statements about Muslims and Islam which is making the Brit of below average intelligence suspicious of Muslims and Islam.

I live in a very white area. Would you describe it as a ‘white stronghold’? Of course not. Using such language is part of the grift, it is designed to incite fear. See other words used by Tommeh, Farage et al: ‘Invasion’, ‘War’ etc etc.

The events of the last few days have made me change my opinion, and I will use free speech as I am entitled to:

Yes I get it, some Muslim terrorists have attacked our country. It has been a VERY small number of people, below 100, probably below 20 in recent times. The more worrying acts of terrorism have been from the Russians in all fairness, but the right love the Russians… I digress.

These self styled ‘patriots’ have actually become the terrorists that they despise. The irony eh? When you look up what terrorist do:

“Terrorists use violence and threats of violence to influence the government or an international governmental organisation, or to intimidate the public”

And that is what they are doing. They are using acts of violence and threats to try and reduce Government policy whilst intimidating the public. It is cut and dry.

And I would say that people who come on message boards and try and justify their actions are guilty by association. It would be just like someone coming on here supporting 9/11.

The whole lot of them disgust me and I hope that the Government and Police really start cracking down on these groups. They should be prescribing them and locking participants up for a LONG time.

The USA did it with the Jan 6th mob, the UK should do it with these cretins.

In all fairness you are inciting with your post and the language you use. I’d ban you for it but then you’d cry that you don’t have free speech. You actually do have free speech but you can’t go around inciting hatred and it looks like that is what you are actually doing, unless you aren’t bright enough to understand the words you are using. Who knows?
 
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breakthewallsdown said:
Absolutely shocking that someone organising a ‘protest’ in 2024 can be charged with terrorism charges, even if it’s something that most don’t agree with.
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Do you know how you go about organising such a protest? Probably not.

You need to inform the police, not just spout racism on Facebook inviting all your racist mates to come and take the country back.

I doubt he has even been arrested - it’s probably a tactic to make people angrier and turn up.
 
MolteniArcore said:
The more worrying acts of terrorism have been from the Russians in all fairness, but the right love the Russians… I digress.
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Which I guess shows that this isn’t really about threat of terrorism but racism

MolteniArcore said:
These self styled ‘patriots’ have actually become the terrorists that they despise. The irony eh?
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I couldn’t agree more, 100% this. They fit the criteria for terrorists. There are a bunch of people who are politically aligning themselves with it but not acting and those people remind me of that Mitchell and Webb sketch “are we the baddies”.
MolteniArcore said:
The whole lot of them disgust me and I hope that the Government and Police really start cracking down on these groups. They should be prescribing them and locking participants up for a LONG time.
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Absolutely call them what they are, put people on the terrorist register, break them, crush them, lock them up. It’s what they deserve. They don’t accept democracy, so they don’t deserve their liberty.
 
Let's hope the police give out the same brute force punishment against Palestinian rioters, protesting in our country about what's going on in foreign soil, or the Roma violent protests in Leeds.
In both these cases the police did nothing to withhold the law, they just stood and let both protests happen, why? a protest is a protest, so its ok to arrest British protesters, but not Palestinian or Roma, why are our police treading on eggshells when other nationals take to our streets to commit violence and crime.
 
Alwaysaborolad said:
Let's hope the police give out the same brute force punishment against Palestinian rioters, protesting in our country about what's going on in foreign soil, or the Roma violent protests in Leeds.
In both these cases the police did nothing to withhold the law, they just stood and let both protests happen, why? a protest is a protest, so its ok to arrest British protesters, but not Palestinian or Roma, why are our police treading on eggshells when other nationals take to our streets to commit violence and crime.
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That one's already been answered (see post 186 on this thread).

A protest is a protest. A spontaneous mob is not a protest.
 
Alwaysaborolad said:
Let's hope the police give out the same brute force punishment against Palestinian rioters, protesting in our country about what's going on in foreign soil, or the Roma violent protests in Leeds.
In both these cases the police did nothing to withhold the law, they just stood and let both protests happen, why? a protest is a protest, so its ok to arrest British protesters, but not Palestinian or Roma, why are our police treading on eggshells when other nationals take to our streets to commit violence and crime.
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Palestinian rioters? They haven’t organised riots.

Roma in harehills, arrests were made. But that was a reaction in the moment NOT a planned action like these repeated riots.

The lack of factual accuracy in your posts and the lack of understanding of a planned And coordinated attempt to create disturbances makes your point weak, and highlights your prejudices
 
For those so very concerned about the safety of kids, wives, family and pro tomorrows march...

March about one child a week dying from abuse/maltreatment

March about 80 or so women killed in the UK every year by a partner/ex-partner...1 to 2 a week!

March about over 60,000 rapes a yr, a tiny percentage of which go to court.

But Tommy, Nigel and their ilk don't tell you to do that do they? I wonder why that is, what with them being so incredibly community minded and all that good stuff.
 
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BoroMart said:
Immigration is a necessity. We have an aging population while we are having less kids. More people of pensionable age and less people paying into the pot and working in the nhs and care system to look after them.

I’ve yet to hear a workable solution to this conundrum that doesn’t involve immigration. Give it a go…
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Ah, a nice easy starter for 10, thanks! I think that the first step is to question the prevailing capitalist ideology that only relentless economic growth can lead to a happy and stable society. That’s clearly nonsense and only leads (as I’ve said before!) to continued unnecessary depletion of the Earth’s resources. Secondly, I’d like to adopt an idea expounded by Naomi Klein (This Changes Everything -I think), and pay people according to their public utility, not wealth generation. (I know that’s a little hypocritical from someone who made a good living in the City).
Neither is going to happen though.
 
The Ruthsayer said:
Ah, a nice easy starter for 10, thanks! I think that the first step is to question the prevailing capitalist ideology that only relentless economic growth can lead to a happy and stable society. That’s clearly nonsense and only leads (as I’ve said before!) to continued unnecessary depletion of the Earth’s resources. Secondly, I’d like to adopt an idea expounded by Naomi Klein (This Changes Everything -I think), and pay people according to their public utility, not wealth generation. (I know that’s a little hypocritical from someone who made a good living in the City).
Neither is going to happen though.
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Fully agree with that.
 
Ian Bairds Ears said:
Right I'm going to have a go at an opinion
As is my entitled right in a democracy with free speech....
Not hate speech not incitement not seeking violence

This country ( great Britain...united kingdom however you choose to label it...England.. even)

There have been generations of incoming pakistanis..Jamaicans....west Indians...Indians.. for many years the vast majority of whom came over looking for a new life and finding it

Generations later they are British and consider themselves so.

Fab

Now however...extremist Muslims have by enlarge taken over the agenda and are winning

They are winning because they are making the average British person hateful /suspicious of their peace loving religion

The bad guys are winning

Islamic sharia law and the treatment of women has to be controlled as its not the British way

It never will be

But we have already lost
We have Muslim strongholds in places like Blackburn where the average person is Islamist

I know so many Muslim lads and some of them are dodgy obviously like British people but most of them are great lads and lasses who contribute nothing but good.

The bad guys are winning

The extremists who want war are winning

There is a religious war coming without a doubt and I for one want to get off the world on many an occasion

What we need is a one love..peace party ...John Lennon style....seriously people who march for peace and harmony

But this won't happen

As an atheist once said...

" what's all the fuss about " just grow up and lead a good life as an individual and a family

Help your fellow human and be kind to them
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Fu.ck me, mate.

Have a rethink about a lot of that. It does not read very well, at all.
Sadly, I have heard the same stuff from my own Dad. 😞
 
I was thinking about the civil disorder that followed Trump's defeat in the US election.

Is this something similar? A backlash to defeat at the ballot box?

I think one thing we've learned is that the internet creates bubbles: people really struggle to accept that they're in a minority. At election time, I recall someone posting about a colleague who believed Reform would win because everyone on their social media was voting Reform.

The reality of the election result must come as quite a shock to those living in such a bubble.some, as is the modern way, will jump to the conclusion that they're the victim of a conspiracy, or the election has been stolen etc.
 
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