Planned riot in Middlesborough last weekend.

Anyone heard anything about Billingham / Stockton today or is it just rumours that they are the next town to be targetted? Just something I’ve heard but can’t find anything online.
 
ThePrisoner said:
The Torygraph has been a disgrace for a while now and this is a new low. They are no better than The Mail, Express or Farage himself.
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Agree the Telegraph is nothing more than a far right propaganda rag these days, Goebbels would have been proud of it.

That headline mentioning Muslims is truly appalling and it also tries to set the battle lines as if these thugs are only going after a certain section of society so the rest have no need to be concerned.

It’s disturbing.
 
Loop said:
Does anyone know how the guy is getting on who was attacked outside the Intrepid Explorer? Someone said he was in a coma last night.

Great work by all involved on the clean up today. People from all communities and backgrounds coming together to clean up the mess from the idiots yesterday.
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Not heard anything but would assume serious charges on the back of this one.
 
TheYorkshireTerrier said:
Anyone heard anything about Billingham / Stockton today or is it just rumours that they are the next town to be targetted? Just something I’ve heard but can’t find anything online.
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A surgery in the Cleveland area was evacuated just now with all investigations cancelled. Strong rumours that the local area was going to be attacked. I'm being vague as I don't want to encourage anything.
 
Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants said:
I’m for paying them extra if the do stuff like litter picking, mow the lawns. Maybe paint house frontages etc. it would certainly smarten up some of the areas. Giving people the tools may spark some pride.
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I just think with all the discrimination we’ve seen over the last few days, is discriminating over another set of people a good idea?
 
BoroMart said:
Fantastic quote and of course I’m gonna have to bring up the B word again, brexit “we don’t need experts” was commonly trotted out to create a general distrust of the intellectuals.

Here we are with universities attacked and libraries burned by people shouting the Brexit battle cries of “we want our country back”.

For those that voted Brexit in good faith, I know it’s difficult to be entirely open minded and the easy option is double down that you were right but blame poor implementation, but at some point you have to be this guy, and ask this question. Because even if you think it was a path to a more prosperous country, the reality is it’s just been a path to divisiveness, racism, propaganda, tearing up parliamentary standards, rioting, race hate, the rise of the far right fascists and generally arseholery. The very fabric of our culture and society has been torn apart, and people warned that this would happen, so the only logical conclusion is that it’s by design.
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Do you think things would have been different if Brexit hadn't have happened? People voted for Farage and UKIP, voted for Brexit, voted for Johnson, voted for Reform and now people are rioting. If the vote had gone the other way and it was 52% to Remain it wouldn't change the way people felt. If anything it would have been more likely that his happened sooner.
 
Rayman said:
A surgery in the Cleveland area was evacuated just now with all investigations cancelled. Strong rumours that the local area was going to be attacked. I'm being vague as I don't want to encourage anything.
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I’ve heard the same, also a disturbance on Normanby Road - these are rumours though.
 
Nano said:
Do you think things would have been different if Brexit hadn't have happened? People voted for Farage and UKIP, voted for Brexit, voted for Johnson, voted for Reform and now people are rioting. If the vote had gone the other way and it was 52% to Remain it wouldn't change the way people felt. If anything it would have been more likely that his happened sooner.
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It felt like a watershed moment: for some, I think they saw it as a legitimisation of racist views, that it was suddenly ok to be racist.

For example, a Middlesbrough -born woman of south Asian heritage, same age as me whom I've known since school, reported being stopped in the street and told "you'll have go back home now" in the days after the referendum.

The referendum was an in/out vote and, with the same absolutism, some did take it as not ok/ok on race politics.

I'm not going speculate regarding the proportion of Brexit voters who thought like this; 5%, 10%, 50%, it doesn't matter. However, I think those who did believed all brexiteers agreed with them on race.
 
Frozen Horse said:
It felt like a watershed moment: for some, I think they saw it as a legitimisation of racist views, that it was suddenly ok to be racist.

For example, a Middlesbrough -born woman of south Asian heritage, same age as me whom I've known since school, reported being stopped in the street and told "you'll have go back home now" in the days after the referendum.

The referendum was an in/out vote and, with the same absolutism, some did take it as not ok/ok on race politics.

I'm not going speculate regarding the proportion of Brexit voters who thought like this; 5%, 10%, 50%, it doesn't matter. However, I think those who did believed all brexiteers agreed with them on race.
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It also resulted in ultimately in the most right wing elements of the Tory Party having disproportionate influence over government giving them a far more credible platform to spread their propaganda and further "legitimise" the views of the racists.
 
Frozen Horse said:
It felt like a watershed moment: for some, I think they saw it as a legitimisation of racist views, that it was suddenly ok to be racist.

For example, a Middlesbrough -born woman of south Asian heritage, same age as me whom I've known since school, reported being stopped in the street and told "you'll have go back home now" in the days after the referendum.
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This in a nutshell. Was said at the time not everyone that voted Brexit was racist, but every racist voted for Brexit.
The validation of their beliefs they held has kept them going ever since.
 
14 years of Tory mis-rule, austerity and hatred of minorities has done this but they are too thick to see it. I wonder if Braverman and the rest are enjoying their breakfasts this morning.
 
Frozen Horse said:
It felt like a watershed moment: for some, I think they saw it as a legitimisation of racist views, that it was suddenly ok to be racist.

For example, a Middlesbrough -born woman of south Asian heritage, same age as me whom I've known since school, reported being stopped in the street and told "you'll have go back home now" in the days after the referendum.

The referendum was an in/out vote and, with the same absolutism, some did take it as not ok/ok on race politics.

I'm not going speculate regarding the proportion of Brexit voters who thought like this; 5%, 10%, 50%, it doesn't matter. However, I think those who did believed all brexiteers agreed with them on race.
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I'm not going to disagree because I can't say definitively but that is a single anecdote and I'm sure we are all aware that there have always been racists in this country. I don't believe that we are a racist country and the vast, vast majority of people aren't racists, but there will be people that have similar stories about being racially abused without provocation going back forever. It's a lot better now than it used to be and a good example is that the direct abuse from large sections of football crowds has been reduced to a small minority dumb enough to act and we certainly don't have the abuse that happens in some other countries.

I think things like social media, online echo chambers, mimicking what is seen in the US etc as well as the "war on woke" nonsense from the daily rags about the increased representation of non-white males on TV etc on top of the changes in society have played a much bigger part than just Brexit. Brexit was a symptom, not the cause and the attitudes/reactions would have been similar whatever the outcome of the referendum.
 
Richyboro said:
14 years of Tory mis-rule, austerity and hatred of minorities has done this but they are too thick to see it. I wonder if Braverman and the rest are enjoying their breakfasts this morning.
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I think it’s time the Tories grew a pair and publicly quoted Margaret Thatcher…

I must tell you that what we have got is an attempt to substitute the rule of the mob for the rule of law, and it must not succeed…..

They are too frightened of that extremist Farage.
 
Richyboro said:
14 years of Tory mis-rule, austerity and hatred of minorities has done this but they are too thick to see it. I wonder if Braverman and the rest are enjoying their breakfasts this morning.
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I would think so, they can sit and watch the carnage they have caused from a safe distance, won't be their homes or cars getting torched.
 
Nano said:
Do you think things would have been different if Brexit hadn't have happened? People voted for Farage and UKIP, voted for Brexit, voted for Johnson, voted for Reform and now people are rioting. If the vote had gone the other way and it was 52% to Remain it wouldn't change the way people felt. If anything it would have been more likely that his happened sooner.
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My problems are:

- don’t make a referendum that is so tight. Do it when there is already a clear decision from polls and use it to ratify. We were warned by Ireland that referenda sow division, they’d had several recently
- create laws to stop misinformation by media and politicians. That’s a key root cause of peoples anger
- these specific people are repeating the some slogans To repeat like a cultist mantra that they were given 8 years ago. We can’t pretend that isn’t the case
- leave became feasible because it played on people’s fears and desperation. Reversing austerity would have resulted in a less toxic society and a less mobilised and vocal far right and given far more value to the poorest.

The issue isn’t the result. It’s the lies and rhetoric used to obtain it! That’s created the escalated hatred and anger from these people. Brexit was their silver bullet…until it wasn’t. Then it was the lefts fault for blocking a proper Brexit….except it wasn’t. Then it was Theresa mays fault for doing a soft brexit….she was for all her faults trying to steer an 18 wheel truck through a densely mined field. Then it was Covid trashing things not the overselling of Brexit. Then it was Labour reversing it…they haven’t.

There’s always an excuse, but the bottom line is it’s delivered no financial value in fact it’s cost billions, it’s created no cultural value, in fact it’s divided us like never before, it’s delivered no security value, in fact it’s a key factor in the riots that are prevailing.
 
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