Premier and Championship Clubs Can Trial Safe Standing

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants

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We cannot afford it Jonny - I suspect few if any Championship clubs will be able to.
Celtic's initial 3000 rail seats cost £500k. Not a vast sum in terms of football and footballers but still high right now.
If and when we find the lifespan of the lower stand seats are coming to a close then the argument would be to pay more for rail seats than new ordinary seats. If lots of clubs are installing rail seats then the price may reduce.
I don't think we could even afford to replace 3000 seats with new ordinary seats at present.
I’d be amazed if we couldn’t afford it. Surely it’d be a tax write off too.

saying that with the price of materials snd builders being very busy I dare say labour costs would be more than the seats.
 

fmttmadmin

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I’d be amazed if we couldn’t afford it. Surely it’d be a tax write off too.

saying that with the price of materials snd builders being very busy I dare say labour costs would be more than the seats.
I really doubt if any Championship club would have that kind of money - that is how tight things are.
 

Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret

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There needs to be choice. There should be areas where sitting down is strictly enforced so people who can't stand can see. And areas where people are free to stand.
Has there ever been any evidence produced of the lack of safety when people are standing up in seats?
At the Riverside they could specify the west stand as an oldies stand and be a bit more strict. Haven't been in the west stand for yonks, maybes they do this anyway.

As a shortarse I would alway choose seating over normal standing somewhere like Brentford, where if I stood I wouldn't be able to see a thing. Spurs it's no problem, unless you're behind a bloke in a top hat or Richard Osman or someone.
 

DCI_Gene_Hunt

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I can tell there are very few away followers in this thread. I can probably count on one hand the number of times Boro away fans have stayed seated over the fast five years.

Rail seating for those that want to stand and sitting in seats for those that don't helps everyone. If you read the article it talks about no obstructions for those wanting to be seated and for disabled.

For me it is really forward thinking not backward thinking because this is new technology that will help to make grounds safer and fairer. Too often those disabled or not able to stand have their views partially or fully blocked by people standing up in part or all of the game. Or they are told they have to go to the front, with the worst view. Therefore if you have an area of designated rail-seating it makes it far safer and offers better views for all. It means that no longer do those unable to stand have to go to the front.
If you think back to Charlton, at The Valley they have a disabled gantry have way up the stand but Charlton sell tickets directly in front of that gantry and fans often refuse to sit down giving disabled fans a terrible view.
I would underline again that I think rail seats are safer than normal seats because hardly anyone sits for 90 minutes. It is those unplanned moments when you stand because of action on the pitch or to let someone pass you that are when you are most at risk of losing balance. Obviously there are hardly ever any injuries. But with a rail in front it is pretty much impossible to topple forward.
Why do we need to trial safe standing when everyone stands anyway at away matches or in the South stand? Surely its already safe or clubs wouldn't allow it to happen would they?
 

Muttley

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How do you step "over" these?

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Ah, my mental image of the seats is obviously somewhat at variance with reality! (Unlikely to be the last time) The ones I had seen proposed were closer to the ones you see in bus stops.

Actually those look to be impossible to step over so the argument can be inverted and say that they increase safety by stopping eejits like me stepping over them. :giggle:
 

rob_fmttm

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You were half right in Muttley in that the height that the rails are has changed over time.
Rail seats will increase choice and fairness. They have proven to increase atmosphere in Germany and that is exactly why Shrewsbury installed them to bring better atmosphere to a new ground that was perhaps soulless compared to their old Gay Meadow.
 

BoroMart

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Not gonna be an option until we get promoted again is it? Even then it will be a second year option if we survive, first year is all hands to the pump to stay up
 

jonny_greenings_sock

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Think this is brilliant.

I’d always go in the standing area and a benefit is that you get all the people who want to be rowdy close together in the same section, which improves the atmosphere for those who want it. Freedom to move around means you can stand with your mates (or get away from annoying people!)

Choice is important of course for those who need/prefer a seat, but the good thing is that everyone would have that choice. 80% of the stadium would still be all seater even if you had a standing area behind both goals, plus away fans, and all the people who want to stand and sing would be clustered in those sections.

It is a backwards step, but also a forwards one in that it would bring back a bit of the atmosphere and fun that’s unique to football, and doesn’t really exist at home games anymore.
 

Humpty

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Havent the supporters forum been championing this at the Riverside for an age now? In which case why do the club need to gauge interest?
 

r00fie1

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I havent sat in the South Stand since we moved back in there - even before that I stood at the back of the North Stand.
The plastic board is ok to park on whilst eating the pre-match pie and at half - time.
There never was a problem with standing at football grounds....
 

rob_fmttm

Administrator
Sorry this was based on a report in the Gazette.
Oh right - I haven't read that. Cannot comment.
But yes you are right in that Supporters Forum held a vote back in 2018 I think. Rail seating is something we have brought up at several recent Forum meetings with the club actually prior to the recent announcement.
 

Billy69_uk

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Ah, my mental image of the seats is obviously somewhat at variance with reality! (Unlikely to be the last time) The ones I had seen proposed were closer to the ones you see in bus stops.

Actually those look to be impossible to step over so the argument can be inverted and say that they increase safety by stopping eejits like me stepping over them. :giggle:
I am no where near agile enough to start bounding over these things. :D

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DCI_Gene_Hunt

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I’d always go in the standing area and a benefit is that you get all the people who want to be rowdy close together in the same section, which improves the atmosphere for those who want it. Freedom to move around means you can stand with your mates (or get away from annoying people!

Think this is brilliant.

I’d always go in the standing area and a benefit is that you get all the people who want to be rowdy close together in the same section, which improves the atmosphere for those who want it. Freedom to move around means you can stand with your mates (or get away from annoying people!)

Choice is important of course for those who need/prefer a seat, but the good thing is that everyone would have that choice. 80% of the stadium would still be all seater even if you had a standing area behind both goals, plus away fans, and all the people who want to stand and sing would be clustered in those sections.

It is a backwards step, but also a forwards one in that it would bring back a bit of the atmosphere and fun that’s unique to football, and doesn’t really exist at home games anymore.
Is that how it works? You can stand anywhere or do you pay for a specific space?
 
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