Putting Some Performance Metrics in for Carrick (KPIs)

[viv_andersons_nana]

Ignoring stuff like.. us going into the 2nd half of the season stripped to the bare bones?

Lying like saying we were hoping that Tommy Smith could take part this season.. if that was the case we would have replaced him in the window..

I did not say that 69 points would make a successful season.. I said we would be meeting club expectations.. as you couldn’t realistically expect high progress whilst selling our best players. I made that clear.. so please don’t ‘flat out make stuff up’

Nobody can ignore the current situation.. but lots seem to be ignoring factors that have led to this position.

I do think we can turn things round.. but I do not think a new manager could come in wave a magic wand and lead us to promotion.

We’ve took risks on players, we’ve missed out on players and we’ve lost a huge amount of players on top of that.

The playoffs are in the realms of possibility.. but we will need something special from players currently injured or on the fringe of the first team to get over the line.

We didn’t sell our best players last summer, we added to them and yet we spent most of August - January underperforming and showing no signs of progress on last season.

We spent more than any other club in our league last summer I think? The expectations and ambitions of the club were made clear by Scott last September. It was not standing still this season, that is for absolute certain.

 

[Cardiffdaffs]

We didn’t sell our best players last summer, we added to them and yet we spent most of August - January underperforming and showing no signs of progress on last season.

We spent more than any other club in our league last summer I think? The expectations and ambitions of the club were made clear by Scott last September. It was not standing still this season, that is for absolute certain.

Not exactly true. 6th highest and it’s not surprising who are the highest two and as Sunderland, Luton, Hull and Norwich have proved total spend does not reflect performance. It’s who you buy.

Championship - Transfer income and expenditures

This statistic shows, which clubs of the Championship in the season 24/25 had the highest transfer expenditures and/or transfer incomes.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

 

[Laughing]

I think scraping 6th with 68 points is still not satisfactory.
90+ Big over-achievement
80-90 Great season
70-80 Meets Expectations
60-70 Below Expectations
under 60 Disaster

We're on course for 63 which is at the bottom end of Below Expectations.

Kpi's must wholly be in the hands of the person, group or organization being measured.

Total points gained is relative to other teams and is dependent on the opposition, player outgoings and incoming, ref decisions, the medical team. It is so interdependant on other factors it's meaningless as a kpi.

It is simple, that much is true.

 

[changingman]

Kpi's must wholly be in the hands of the person, group or organization being measured.

Total points gained is relative to other teams and is dependent on the opposition, player outgoings and incoming, ref decisions, the medical team. It is so interdependant on other factors it's meaningless as a kpi.

It is simple, that much is true.

Points per game was a metric under Klopp at Liverpool (as per his Head of Data) - but they placed more importance (understandably) on points per spend to understand where they were overperforming competition versus spend. City and Liverpool were both dramatically ahead in this metric, whereas Utd and Chelsea lagged miles behind.

 

[Nano]

Kpi's must wholly be in the hands of the person, group or organization being measured.

Total points gained is relative to other teams and is dependent on the opposition, player outgoings and incoming, ref decisions, the medical team. It is so interdependant on other factors it's meaningless as a kpi.

It is simple, that much is true.

That would mean every other suggestion is the same. Win percentage, performance against rivals, key matches, home games, winning streaks, league position etc are all dependent on the opposition. Even things like passes complete, goals scored, shots on target, distance covered etc are all the same. There aren't many wholly independent metrics in sport.

I would argue that points gained is a pretty good metric, assuming relative strength of the league as a whole from season to season is fairly consistent, for comparing your own performance over time. 18 teams stay the same the 3 worst are replaced by 3 from below and the 3 best are replaced by 3 from above so the overall strength of the other 23 teams doesn't change that much. Individual matches don't give you much data but 46 games evens things out a bit.

The last 5 seasons 6th placed have had 73, 69, 75, 77 & 74 so you can get a gauge for what is needed to make the playoffs. There is quite a big variation, which is why I banded the ranges and didn't put specific values because if we're expecting to be in the playoffs then we set ourselves a target of 70 points then we'd look a bit silly claiming we've had a good season when we needed 77 points.

 

[Transitarmy]

I remember being at a works meeting with all the maintenance staff and some high ups going on about KPIs. I stuck my hand up and asked what was a KPI, he waffled on obviously not having a clue himself and I'm still non the wiser after 50 odd years.

 

[MickaelDebevePhenomenal]

I think scraping 6th with 68 points is still not satisfactory.
90+ Big over-achievement
80-90 Great season
70-80 Meets Expectations
60-70 Below Expectations
under 60 Disaster

We're on course for 63 which is at the bottom end of Below Expectations.

exactly. People talk about "getting in the play offs" like its a badge of honour, or job done.

Its means the square root of eff all if you are unable to beat the teams who finish 3rd and 4th over two legs, which presently we look an absolute MILE OFF doing. If we sneak 6th on 69 pts but then get splattered by burnley/sunderland/sheff utd/leeds (delete as appropriate) it's pointless, other than the negligible financial benefit of the extra games.

And after watching the leeds v sunderland game last night, we would lose, heavily, over two legs to either of those two on current form

 

[Laughing]

That would mean every other suggestion is the same. Win percentage, performance against rivals, key matches, home games, winning streaks, league position etc are all dependent on the opposition. Even things like passes complete, goals scored, shots on target, distance covered etc are all the same. There aren't many wholly independent metrics in sport.

I would argue that points gained is a pretty good metric, assuming relative strength of the league as a whole from season to season is fairly consistent, for comparing your own performance over time. 18 teams stay the same the 3 worst are replaced by 3 from below and the 3 best are replaced by 3 from above so the overall strength of the other 23 teams doesn't change that much. Individual matches don't give you much data but 46 games evens things out a bit.

The last 5 seasons 6th placed have had 73, 69, 75, 77 & 74 so you can get a gauge for what is needed to make the playoffs. There is quite a big variation, which is why I banded the ranges and didn't put specific values because if we're expecting to be in the playoffs then we set ourselves a target of 70 points then we'd look a bit silly claiming we've had a good season when we needed 77 points.

You raise a good point where competitive sport is concerned.

Individual players are a bit easier. Coaching staff much harder. Changing man's comment about points per spend might be reasonable.

 

[Boro_Interlinked]

'key performance metrics (KPIs)'
Wouldn't they be KPMs rather than key performance indicators (KPIs)?

That's a key point actually - KPA, 10 points for noticing that

 

[newyddion]

Finn Azaz Testimonial	+8 points for a win +4 points for a draw -2 points for a loss	TBA
Phobos versus Deimos	+8 points for a win +4 points for a draw -2 points for a loss	TBA
The Partridge Fanatical	+8 points for a win +4 points for a draw -2 points for a loss	TBA
The New Old Firm	+10 points for a win +6 points for a draw -4 points for a loss	TBA
The Riverside Revolution	+16 points for a win +8 points for a draw -10 points for a loss	TBA
The Turf Moor Tussle	+32 points for a win +16 points for a draw -64 points for a loss	TBA
The Tees-Wear Derby	+256 points for a win +0 points for a draw -512 points for a loss	TBA