re the foden situation - he needs to be played

[atypical_boro]

He didn’t ease him in though that’s the point he never played him that’s not easing him in, that’s leaving him out

But he’s in now so no complaints from
Me.

I believe he had every intention of bringing him into the starting lineup and said it at the start. I mean, he has done exactly that.

 

[Nano]

He's got a goal every 3 appearances for England, it's about 1 in 7 for Foden.

This is too simplistic. Just because Rashford is more likely to score than Foden doesn't mean England are more likely to score with Rashford than they are with Foden. Foden is the better player (significantly better) and I think England are better with him in the team than Rashford. International goals can be very easy to come across because we play so many mismatch games in terms of quality, particularly in qualifiers and friendlies. In this tournament alone Rashford has got goals against a very poor Wales team and a nothing goal to put us 5-1 up against Iran. They all count the same in the stats but it's very different to playing against the best defenders in the world which is what the knockouts are about.

Foden is just a much better player than Rashford.

Depends what the situation requires. If you are protecting a lead then Grealish, but if you need a goalscorer Rashford. Sterling has been off form, Saka and Foden on the right absolutely before him in all circumstances.

I think you have this the wrong way round, particularly against a good team which is what we will be playing against for the remainder of the tournament however far we get. When you are leading then Rashford would be better on the break to finish off counter attacks but if we are trying to break a team down then Foden (or Grealish) is far superior.

 

[Marvanelli]

This is too simplistic. Just because Rashford is more likely to score than Foden doesn't mean England are more likely to score with Rashford than they are with Foden. Foden is the better player (significantly better) and I think England are better with him in the team than Rashford. International goals can be very easy to come across because we play so many mismatch games in terms of quality, particularly in qualifiers and friendlies. In this tournament alone Rashford has got goals against a very poor Wales team and a nothing goal to put us 5-1 up against Iran. They all count the same in the stats but it's very different to playing against the best defenders in the world which is what the knockouts are about.

Foden is just a much better player than Rashford.

I think you have this the wrong way round, particularly against a good team which is what we will be playing against for the remainder of the tournament however far we get. When you are leading then Rashford would be better on the break to finish off counter attacks but if we are trying to break a team down then Foden (or Grealish) is far superior.

Agree with this.

Foden v Rashford shouldn't even be up for a debate....and I like Rashford.

 

[Laughing]

I wouldn't be too surprised if Foden starts on the bench against France. Southgate can either try to hurt France from the off or keep things very solid and let the team grow into the game. Southgate will absolutely try not to loose the game and certainly not in the first 30 minutes. Foden isn't really a tackler but he rarely looses the ball, his retention stats are terrific, particularly given where and how he plays.

I suppose southgate could go for possession rather than containment and get the same result.

On the Rashford v Foden argument. Rashford has more experience and carries a bigger goal threat, Foden is a better passer and retains possession better. At the moment I don't think there is much between them and if you need a goal I would prefer Rashford, if you are in front or level I would prefer Foden.

 

[allied_assault]

I would play both Foden and Rashford and leave Saka out against France but there are so many options and I do not care who Gareth picks tbh

 

[Marvanelli]

I wouldn't be too surprised if Foden starts on the bench against France

I would. He's paramount to us if we want to have the best chance of being successful.

Rashford has more experience

Rashford has more experience? In what regard? Purely due to his age?

Foden has appeared in more finals, won more trophies, played in bigger games...

If anything, Foden has much more experience that Rashford.

 

[Laughing]

I would. He's paramount to us if we want to have the best chance of being successful.


Rashford has more experience? In what regard? Purely due to his age?

Foden has appeared in more finals, won more trophies, played in bigger games...

If anything, Foden has much more experience that Rashford.

Not sure Foden is paramount. The game can be won many ways. Southgate will pick a lineup that can deliver for him based on the tactics he wants to use. That may include Foden from the start or not.

Rashford has more experience because he has more games played and, probably twice the caps of Foden. You may argue Foden had played in more big games, that's one part of experience.

 

[Marvanelli]

Not sure Foden is paramount. The game can be won many ways. Southgate will pick a lineup that can deliver for him based on the tactics he wants to use. That may include Foden from the start or not.

Of course we can win without Foden.

But like I said, if we want the best chance of being successful, Foden should be starting (irrespective of who the opponent is). He's our best LW by a clear distance.

Rashford has more experience because he has more games played and, probably twice the caps of Foden. You may argue Foden had played in more big games, that's one part of experience.

He's played more games because he's older. By the time Foden is Rashford's age, he'll have played more games and bigger games and won more (in fact he already has played more bigger games and has won more).

At this moment in time, Foden has more experience (albeit less games) than Rashford.

Just because you play more games, doesn't mean you have gained more experience.

If that was the case, then we should be playing Henderson, Rice and Phillips in midfield ahead of Bellingham. And I think you'd agree that would be a simply bonkers decision.

 

[Laughing]

Of course we can win without Foden.

But like I said, if we want the best chance of being successful, Foden should be starting (irrespective of who the opponent is). He's our best LW by a clear distance.


He's played more games because he's older. By the time Foden is Rashford's age, he'll have played more games and bigger games and won more (in fact he already has played more bigger games and has won more).

At this moment in time, Foden has more experience (albeit less games) than Rashford.

Just because you play more games, doesn't mean you have gained more experience.

If that was the case, then we should be playing Henderson, Rice and Phillips in midfield ahead of Bellingham. And I think you'd agree that would be a simply bonkers decision.

Well thatsan unusual definition of experience, but fine.

We'll see if foden plays on saturday. I wouldn't be surprised if he is brought on from the bench because Southgate wants to keep it tight.