Saving Christmas

FatCat

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Thoughts on this idea that we have a chance of five days together with family at Christmas coming at a cost of a further 25 days lockdown.

I know it’s important for the kids and people’s mental health but it feels like it comes at a high cost. Personally I’d prefer to just cancel Christmas and hopefully avoid any extended lockdown,

Yours the Grinch xxx

What’s everybody’s thoughts on this idea?
 
I'm totally the same. I can't see the point at all in allowing everyone to come together for one day.

It'll basically undo any good we get out of this month. It seems utterly insane.
 
If the 5 days for 1 is a Sage calculation, they'll readjust it at some point and we'll actually lock down for 25 minutes after the 5 days.

We as a liberal and free nation are dressing up letting the tax paying public 'free' for 5 days as though we should be thankful.

And as far as cancelling Xmas, the affect on mental health will be astronomical if they don't let families see each other and in my opinion will far outweigh the risks.

It's not just about Covid fatalities, people are really suffering now and we need to strike a balance.
 
The government should realise that people are going to see their families regardless of what they say so they should come up with a plan thats easy to understand and reduces the impact. I’ll be spending the day with my son (childcare) and my partner (bubble) as I’m allowed to so it doesn’t impact me but I probably would still do that even if I wasn’t allowed to. I do worry about my sister, she suffers from depression and lives alone, our mum died the 17th of December 2 years ago, normally I have to bully her into seeing people at Xmas, this year is the lowest she’s been and it’s a battle to even get a reply from a text message.
 
If the 5 days for 1 is a Sage calculation, they'll readjust it at some point and we'll actually lock down for 25 minutes after the 5 days.

We as a liberal and free nation are dressing up letting the tax paying public 'free' for 5 days as though we should be thankful.

And as far as cancelling Xmas, the affect on mental health will be astronomical if they don't let families see each other and in my opinion will far outweigh the risks.

It's not just about Covid fatalities, people are really suffering now and we need to strike a balance.
I don't think spreading the disease over the country after months of trying to control it is striking a balance. Its ludicrous. Other religions have curbed celebrations. It's plain stupid not to restrict Christmas too. And palin selfish to want to spread things
 
I don't think spreading the disease over the country after months of trying to control it is striking a balance. Its ludicrous. Other religions have curbed celebrations. It's plain stupid not to restrict Christmas too. And palin selfish to want to spread things

I'm not saying we willfully spread the infection so wind your neck in, it's quite obvious people like you are quite comfortable with life and the lockdown has had minimal affect on you financially or mentally.

There are lots of people not so lucky.
 
I'm not saying we willfully spread the infection so wind your neck in, it's quite obvious people like you are quite comfortable with life and the lockdown has had minimal affect on you financially or mentally.

There are lots of people not so lucky.
That's not true and you know nothing about me. I just think it's selfish to want to gather in large numbers at the moment. It'll lead to a massive surge in January, so anyone suffering in Lockdown now will suffer for longer all for the sake of one gathering
 
I wasn't advocating gathering in large numbers though, I'm talking about close family being able to sensibly get together.

And I don't know anything about you, but from what I read of your posts you appear to have a decent life.
 
I wasn't advocating gathering in large numbers though, I'm talking about close family being able to sensibly get together.

And I don't know anything about you, but from what I read of your posts you appear to have a decent life.
How many close family and where are they coming from? Reducing restrictions will only lead to a spread of covid and another lockdown next year which we both agree is tough. It also may be avoidable if we all just sacrifice Christmas this year.
 
How many close family and where are they coming from?

Eh ?
Have you started a new career as one of these Covid Officers.

That's the issue now, this pandemic has shown that as a nation we have a large proportion of people who look down their noses and twitch their curtains.

And by the way, even if we sacrifice Xmas, we'll still be in some form of lockdown in January no matter what as SAGE will come up with some crock of s**t and back it up with a graph showing worse case scenarios and then realise that they got the figures wrong.

I do hope Whitty and co get calculators for Xmas.
 
How many close family and where are they coming from?

Eh ?
Have you started a new career as one of these Covid Officers.

That's the issue now, this pandemic has shown that as a nation we have a large proportion of people who look down their noses and twitch their curtains.

And by the way, even if we sacrifice Xmas, we'll still be in some form of lockdown in January no matter what as SAGE will come up with some crock of s**t and back it up with a graph showing worse case scenarios and then realise that they got the figures wrong.

I do hope Whitty and co get calculators for Xmas.
I was making a point everyone thinks "oh it can't hurt, I'm just having a small gathering" but exactly how small. And if people are coming form round the country it'll spread the virus again .

Surely you can see that? Any gathering, any bringing together of people is going to make things worse. And lead to a bigger or longer lockdown in 2021.

I just think its stupid to to take such massive risks, to jeopardise the early months of next year for one gathering. Take emotion out of it and it has no logic at all
 
Taking a look at the front pages this morning I'm firmly in the "no" camp.

It strikes of cheap political point scoring - we either take the virus seriously or we don't (incidentally I'm in the camp which thinks the current programme is too restrictive, but the government have made their bed now!)

I'd be interested to know how many are in the same camp as it certainly feels this decision is being "enforced" regardless of whether people want it not. It's different where the rationale is saving lives/the health service but disadvantaging sections of the populace who don't enjoy/celebrate Xmas is a trickier balance imo.
 
In my statistical study this morning
9/10 in our office (all easily socially distanced btw) are in the ‘no camp’

Lets be clear - this is a political move.
People are going to have their families round for dinner at xmas. Most will be careful and responsible.
Governments wanting credit for what will happen anyway.
 
Couldn't save Eid or Diwali could he.
In fact he put Bradford into level 3 the day before Eid just in case people started to congregate together in large numbers to celebrate birthdays , weddings or religious festivals whilst there was a pandemic on.
I did actually think about this, it seems a bit divisive to favour one religion over another.
 
People will ignore them anyway, so I think it's being done as a bit of a fait accompli, and at least this way it'll look like it's happening because they've allowed it.

There's not really any other reason to allow it to happen except they don't think it's enforceable to prevent it.
Infections and deaths don't stop at Christmas.
 
People will ignore them anyway, so I think it's being done as a bit of a fait accompli, and at least this way they'll look like it's happening because they've allowed it.

There's not really any other reason to allow it to happen except they don't think it's enforceable to prevent it.
Infections and deaths don't stop at Christmas.

In a nuthsell sir (y)

My 2 lads from London will be with me at xmas
 
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