Shamima Begum refused return to UK

It is a unique case and unfortunately for her the precedent must be set for anyone else who might consider doing the same in future. Well done to the courts šŸ‘
 
Heam44 said:
I think this logic is flawed. Imagine if people applied this defence to other areas of the law.
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The law is applied to anyone 10 or over Heam44. The UK Supreme Court has spoken, the courts develop the law and have upheld the UK Government decision, they will have considered her age at the time I am sure, so no, it isnā€™t flawed in my view.
 
coluka said:
Child..... just, age is but a number. She was about 6 months short of her 16th birthday when she left. In parts of the UK 16 yr olds have the right to vote. Lets not pretend she is anything other than what she is, a terrorist.
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So you'd fight against the prosecution of sex offenders if the child was 15?
 
coluka said:
Treat? By who Corcaigh?

Have you seen the way some of her community have treat their own community at times or is it ok to turn a blind eye to that? This is not about racism, this is about terrorism. ā€™Her communityā€™ as you call it are people with behaviours, just like you or I have behavioural traits. The vast majority being law abiding citizens like you or I making their way in life grateful for their freedoms within the wider UK life.

We have laws in this country that apply to everyone who lives here, we all choose our path within the constraints life deals us, we do so in the knowledge of the law of the land. These laws are there to protect individuals and communities and the British way of life and our ever evolving wonderful, vibrant cultural development. Anyone who does not like the way this country operates has a voice but they also have a choice, they can always look to choose another path elsewhere, but if they do, they must accept the consequences of those choices and decisions.
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Treat by society, or are you blissfully unaware of division in the UK?
 
red_harrington said:
Yes she may have been 15 when she was radicalised, but even several years later, as a grown adult, she was unrepentant.
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I think the counter argument would be that she was damaged beyond repair at a young age so how she has turned out is not her fault.

not necessarily my argument but there is some logic in taht way of thinking.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Treat by society, or are you blissfully unaware of division in the UK?
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Who in society though? You are making sweeping generalisations. There are people in society who behave badly to their own race as well as people of different races are you blissfully unaware of that? This case is about terrorism, you seem to want to make it about racism for some strange reason.
 
All in the eyes. Something not right with her. Grooming? Piffle. She knew exactly what she was getting into and is only pleading innocence now as the rag tag bunch of scumbags she joined up with got their arses kicked.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
So you'd recognise age for what it was in such a case, just dismiss it when it suits you?
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Age is always taken into account in any case as well you know, however, it is not the sole or main factor now is it. There are highly intelligent 15 yr olds and naive 15 yr olds and varying degrees in between. I have pointed out that the courts will have considered her age and many other factors In arriving at their decision.
 
Randy said:
All in the eyes. Something not right with her. Grooming? Piffle. She knew exactly what she was getting into and is only pleading innocence now as the rag tag bunch of scumbags she joined up with got their arses kicked.
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Would you say the same thing about a young girl who engaged in under age sex with an older man - would she know what she was getting herself into?
 
coluka said:
The law is applied to anyone 10 or over Heam44. The UK Supreme Court has spoken, the courts develop the law and have upheld the UK Government decision, they will have considered her age at the time I am sure, so no, it isnā€™t flawed in my view.
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Yeah Iā€™m not saying the courts decision are illegal or anything like that.

I was commenting on your ā€œshe was nearly 16ā€ remark.

Of course she was above age of legal responsibility being above 10. But based on your logic you would have held her responsible if she was nearly 9yrs 6 months.

Anyway whether she was 15 or 25 I still wouldnā€™t rescind her citizenship as I feel washing our hands of her isnā€™t the right thing to do.

Imagine if terrorists from another country came to the UK and did what ISIS did and then once weā€™d caught them we were told that their citizenship had now been revoked and that they were our problem.

In my opinion we should take responsibility for our own.
 
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Randy said:
All in the eyes. Something not right with her. Grooming? Piffle. She knew exactly what she was getting into and is only pleading innocence now as the rag tag bunch of scumbags she joined up with got their arses kicked.
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Here you go completely embarrassing yourself as usual.
Primus84 said:
Would you say the same thing about a young girl who engaged in under age sex with an older man - would she know what she was getting herself into?
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Come on Randy we are waiting for your answer.
 
Primus84 said:
Would you say the same thing about a young girl who engaged in under age sex with an older man - would she know what she was getting herself into?
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No because that isn't the same thing is it?

Would we be hearing about any of this if ISIS was still running rampant? No we wouldn't.

What's the plan? Go on educate me. Notice that I'll more than likely get jumped on again even though more respected members of the board have said basically the same thing but they won't get called out šŸ˜‰
 
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