Shamima Begum refused return to UK

[coluka]

How will she appeal - according to her lawyers it’s not possible from the camp where she is?

Well, she has conducted her case to date from where she is, so she will no doubt have to carry that on or not proceed. That is an issue for her lawyers to try to overcome, they managed so far. The funding of it will be interesting if the case carries on.

 

[Primus84]

That's a bit of a stretch. She is potentially going to lose it because she joined ISIS. It's not a precedent for the government to strip anyone of their citizenship

I must have missed the bit where she was convicted of an offence then. Her citizenship was stripped on the say-so of the Home Secretary

 

[Londons_Moggie]

I must have missed the bit where she was convicted of an offence then. Her citizenship was stripped on the say-so of the Home Secretary

I understand that but that doesn't mean that any citizen of the UK is now under threat of losing their citizenship.

 

[Primus84]

I understand that but that doesn't mean that any citizen of the UK is now under threat of losing their citizenship.

As long as they don't do something to upset the Home Secretary...

 

[LaPennaBianca]

Where in the UK can you vote at 16? Or was this just a point made to win an argument.

Anyway - even if you take the dimmest possible view of her: she's our problem, she was radicalised here so should be dealt with here.

 

[Londons_Moggie]

As long as they don't do something to upset the Home Secretary...

Well I don't think you and me are going to be seen as a threat to domestic security

 

[Laughing]

I understand that but that doesn't mean that any citizen of the UK is now under threat of losing their citizenship.

Without going through a court that is exactly what it means LM

 

[Primus84]

Where in the UK can you vote at 16? Or was this just a point made to win an argument.

Anyway - even if you take the dimmest possible view of her: she's our problem, she was radicalised here so should be dealt with here.

You can vote in elections for the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly if you're 16.

 

[Londons_Moggie]

Without going through a court that is exactly what it means LM

Not in the real world it doesn't. In theory, yes. Most of us aren't considered a domestic security threat

 

[Randy]

Bring her back for trial and we'll find out.

A few on here certain she has been, even dismissing the interview she did and the admissions she made

 

[Alzi]

Is it really as widespread as the media would have us believe?

Yes, more so. Obviously not always to the extreme of this particular case so they don't always make the headlines, but across the UK you have Local Authorities and Police Forces dealing with a high number of referrals everyday. Some areas a lot more than others granted.

 

[Primus84]

A few on here certain she has been, even dismissing the interview she did and the admissions she made

In this country we don't normally sentence people based on what they say to the media but rather at the end of a fair trial. I'm not saying this has happened in this case but we have all seen how taped interviews can be manipulated and selectively edited.

 

[coluka]

Where in the UK can you vote at 16? Or was this just a point made to win an argument.

Anyway - even if you take the dimmest possible view of her: she's our problem, she was radicalised here so should be dealt with here.

Well thats told the UK Government and The Supreme Court.

16/17 yr old voting rights approved

 

[Primus84]

Not in the real world it doesn't. In theory, yes. Most of us aren't considered a domestic security threat

So you're relying on the favour of the Home Secretary?

 

[Londons_Moggie]

So you're relying on the favour of the Home Secretary?

Yea I don't think I'm on her radar to be honest

 

[JM14]

Dangerous precedent if the government can just revoke citizenship when it pleases, she should face the most severe punishment for what she has done, for me there is no question of that, but that punishment should be in the UK as she is a UK citizen

 

[jam69]

Maybe we could treat her the same way this person was? Or maybe this person has a irish grandparent so we could dump him there?

Youngest British terrorist sentenced for neo-Nazi manuals stash | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

 

[Randy]

Her lawyer provided it to the court. BBC

Come on Randy, what's the difference?

Her lawyer's job is to get the best possible outcome for his/her client.

Has she apologized to her father yet I wonder? Who said, and I quote,

"If she at least admitted she made a mistake then I would feel sorry for her and other people would feel sorry for her, but she does not accept her wrong."

At the end of the day I don't understand this mass outpouring of sympathy for someone who quite happily watched innocent people have their heads removed from their bodies and sees terrorist actions as fine. Her only complaints been about the corruption surrounding ISIL

 

[Same_as_before]

Her lawyer's job is to get the best possible outcome for his/her client.

Has she apologized to her father yet I wonder? Who said, and I quote,

"If she at least admitted she made a mistake then I would feel sorry for her and other people would feel sorry for her, but she does not accept her wrong."

At the end of the day I don't understand this mass outpouring of sympathy for someone who quite happily watched innocent people have their heads removed from their bodies and sees terrorist actions as fine. Her only complaints been about the corruption surrounding ISIL

I am not sympathetic, but gaining the outcome on Journalistic endeavour seems a strange way to run a legal system.

 

[Randy]

I am not sympathetic, but gaining the outcome on Journalistic endeavour seems a strange way to run a legal system.

Which is what we are all doing ultimately aren't we? The courts have made their decision.