Shamima Begum refused return to UK

I lost the will to live reading all of the comments on this one, I am not really sure what I think. However I can see that I wouldnt be comfortable living near her.

So is a compromise, lets put her on an British island where she can spend her days, maybe with people who hold similar views.
Near me is Lundy island, but I am sure that there are others with an inhospitable climate, too far to swim and some sheep for company :)
 
Primus84 said:
This case was regarding her right to a fair trial and how she asserted that she needed to be present to allow her legal team to effectively conduct that case and receive instructions from her.

The case yet to come is regarding whether stripping citizenship was lawful.

I do think everyone cheering this verdict on needs to stop a moment and consider that if the UK Government can strip citizenship from her (when she had no other citizenship and it made her effectively stateless) then they could do it to anyone including you!
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But that’s not true she has Bangladeshi citizenship based upon her mother - it’s not something she needs to apply but her birth right. The fact that the Bangladeshis have said they don’t want her is a different matter altogether.
 
FatCat said:
But that’s not true she has Bangladeshi citizenship based upon her mother - it’s not something she needs to apply but her birth right. The fact that the Bangladeshis have said they don’t want her is a different matter altogether.
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Read back what you wrote - if she needs to apply for it then she doesn't actually have it!
 
Londons_Moggie said:
Not in the real world it doesn't. In theory, yes. Most of us aren't considered a domestic security threat
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All that means is you agree with this particular decision. No one should have their citizenship removed without a due process. Dress it anyway you like, but if it went unchallenged, it means exactly what Primus said it does. The fact that you agree with it is neither here nor there.
 
FatCat said:
She doesn’t have to apply for it that’s the point.
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That's only true if one of her parents was born in Bangladesh I believe.

Bangladesh generally prohibits dual citizenship, so by being a British citizen her Bangladeshi citizenship would have been automatically renounced.
 
Laughing said:
All that means is you agree with this particular decision. No one should have their citizenship removed without a due process. Dress it anyway you like, but if it went unchallenged, it means exactly what Primus said it does. The fact that you agree with it is neither here nor there.
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I'm torn on it as I have stated in the OP
 
You've also effectively now created 2 tiers of citizenship of the UK - if your parents were born here and you were too then your citizenship can never be revoked. If your parents were born elsewhere but you were born here then despite living your entire life here your citizenship could be revoked.
 
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Londons_Moggie said:
I'm torn on it as I have stated in the OP
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Regardless of what we might like to see happen to the woman, she is a british citizen and should be returned, arrested if she has broken any laws and have to go through the judicial system as is the case with every british citizen. Patel deciding to block access back to the UK is ridiculous and was done solely as a vote winner and had nothing to do with the legality of the decision.

It is a ploy aimed at our lowest common denominator.
 
Primus84 said:
That's only true if one of her parents was born in Bangladesh I believe.

Bangladesh generally prohibits dual citizenship, so by being a British citizen her Bangladeshi citizenship would have been automatically renounce
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reading the Wikipedia I’m not sure your interpretation is correct. It actually assumes that you are born in another country.
 
Laughing said:
Regardless of what we might like to see happen to the woman, she is a british citizen and should be returned, arrested if she has broken any laws and have to go through the judicial system as is the case with every british citizen. Patel deciding to block access back to the UK is ridiculous and was done solely as a vote winner and had nothing to do with the legality of the decision.

It is a ploy aimed at our lowest common denominator.
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It's a tragic story and one I'm not 100% comfortable with. However, if she was to return to the UK and then kill a number of people, the government would get a lot of flack for allowing her back in. Damned if you do and damned if you don't
 
It's a difficult one and thankfully the decision was made by Judges and not politicians hoping to please their supporter base. I'm not entirely sure where I stand on it.

I ask myself this; if ISIS was still tearing up Iraq would she be pleading for her British citizenship back? Probably not. Her views would still support radical islamic thinking and all the nonsense that goes with it.

At the same time, I wonder if she was ultimately a victim in the whole debacle too and deserves a second chance. I reckon the Judges have probably thought about that sort of stuff.
 
FatCat said:
reading the Wikipedia I’m not sure your interpretation is correct. It actually assumes that you are born in another country.
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Whether I'm right or not Bangladesh themselves have said she doesn't hold citizenship and they wouldn't allow her in.
 
Primus84 said:
Whether I'm right or not Bangladesh themselves have said she doesn't hold citizenship and they wouldn't allow her in.
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Which is essentially the same as what the UK is saying, can they do that when it’s not what the law states - that’s the same criticism being levelled at out gvt right?
 
FatCat said:
Which is essentially the same as what the UK is saying, can they do that when it’s not what the law states - that’s the same criticism being levelled at out gvt right?
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Nope. She's never lived there and has no connection with the country other than potentially through her parents.
 
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