Should we appeal the red card?

Agree that there is some "attempted pulling" by Fry although on closer inspection his fist isn't closed - so maybe patting is more apt?

All the while Stewart has his arm across Fry obstructing him.

Like I've said before, an experienced and competent official lets the ball roll through to Steffen and plays on.
 
The difference between people who have watched football and people who have played football.

It's pretty clear from being able to review the incident from multiple angles, and the blessing of time to analyse it, that Stewart dived to buy the pen.

There's no force from Fry that sends him tumbling.

All of the 'contact' (said loosely, it's just the normal contact in a contact game you see hundreds of times all over the pitch) happens outside the box.. but he falls in the box.

At high speed and in real time, I can sort of see why the ref has given it.

With the technology available, it should be a simple decision to overturn that on the grounds of there's no foul, for me.
 
Not sure the red will get overturned. Not sure on the criteria for rescinding the red. it was not a howler by the ref.
 
The way I see it (from multiple replays) fry is mildly behind Stewart, but almost parallel.

He puts his arm across Stewart as you are taught to maintain contact with the opposition. His hand remains open, never grabs or pulls.

As they get close to the box fry tries to make an extra effort to get in front of Stewart and he falls over.

I think the only possible foul is if you think this final move by Fry knocks Stewart over.

Definitely no pull, Definitely no trip. Possibly knocks the opposition over with body to body contact, but minimal.

If the referee report says "grabs" or "trips" then the appeal makes sense as they are both provably wrong.

The fact Frys contact was no where near the area does not matter.

I thought it was a free kick and red in real time because I thought fry had grabbed him - so don't blame the ref. But I think the replay shows Stewart made the most of incidental contact and so should be rescinded.
 
The way I see it (from multiple replays) fry is mildly behind Stewart, but almost parallel.

He puts his arm across Stewart as you are taught to maintain contact with the opposition. His hand remains open, never grabs or pulls.

As they get close to the box fry tries to make an extra effort to get in front of Stewart and he falls over.

I think the only possible foul is if you think this final move by Fry knocks Stewart over.

Definitely no pull, Definitely no trip. Possibly knocks the opposition over with body to body contact, but minimal.

If the referee report says "grabs" or "trips" then the appeal makes sense as they are both provably wrong.

The fact Frys contact was no where near the area does not matter.

I thought it was a free kick and red in real time because I thought fry had grabbed him - so don't blame the ref. But I think the replay shows Stewart made the most of incidental contact and so should be rescinded.

Totally agree. Be interesting to see if Boro have had access to / reviewed the referee's report before making a call. Can they get access to it?
 
The way I see it (from multiple replays) fry is mildly behind Stewart, but almost parallel.

He puts his arm across Stewart as you are taught to maintain contact with the opposition. His hand remains open, never grabs or pulls.

As they get close to the box fry tries to make an extra effort to get in front of Stewart and he falls over.

I think the only possible foul is if you think this final move by Fry knocks Stewart over.

Definitely no pull, Definitely no trip. Possibly knocks the opposition over with body to body contact, but minimal.

If the referee report says "grabs" or "trips" then the appeal makes sense as they are both provably wrong.

The fact Frys contact was no where near the area does not matter.

I thought it was a free kick and red in real time because I thought fry had grabbed him - so don't blame the ref. But I think the replay shows Stewart made the most of incidental contact and so should be rescinded.
Wondering whether the referee report is publicly available?
 
There was no deliberate attempt by Fry to foul Stewart .. it was two blokes racing each other and then one decided to fall over when they go close to the penalty box. They were both putting arms across each other but it's not beneficial for the defender to fall over in that situation but it is to the striker as there was no guarantee he would score .. in fact, when Steffen finally decided to come out for it, he collected the ball because the last touch by Stewart was too heavy. If he hadn't fell over he wouldn't have got a shot away anyway - so no real denial of a goal scoring opportunity.
 
I thought it was a red card. I think fry caught his ankle. It was never a penalty though.
That's a good point, would they take into account the double jeopardy rule? Given that the penalty was given, it should be a yellow card. If it was a free-kick then you could argue it should have been a red.

It is actually the penalty decision that is incorrect in my opinion.
 
That's a good point, would they take into account the double jeopardy rule? Given that the penalty was given, it should be a yellow card. If it was a free-kick then you could argue it should have been a red.

It is actually the penalty decision that is incorrect in my opinion.
You are right it was never a penalty and the ref got that badly wrong. Not sure there is much contact having looked at replays. Just not sure the club has anywhere to go with this, given that we have all looked multiple times and it's quite difficult to say that fry didn't impede Stewart.
 
Not sure the red will get overturned. Not sure on the criteria for rescinding the red. it was not a howler by the ref.
Don't think it has to be a serious error, just an error. I think it will be overturned as he is jostling and trying to get himself into a position to play the ball. Double jeopardy rule was brought in to avoid situations like this as it was felt that the punishment was too harsh for the crime.

Something like the Suarez handball against Ghana - that's a red and penalty. This is just a player being clumsy.

We have seen from the traore and mcnair appeals that they aren't averse to overturning decisions. Think they deserve credit for that.
 
Don't think it has to be a serious error, just an error. I think it will be overturned as he is jostling and trying to get himself into a position to play the ball. Double jeopardy rule was brought in to avoid situations like this as it was felt that the punishment was too harsh for the crime.

Something like the Suarez handball against Ghana - that's a red and penalty. This is just a player being clumsy.

We have seen from the traore and mcnair appeals that they aren't averse to overturning decisions. Think they deserve credit for that.
I think they did away with frivolous appeals too if memory serves. I will be a bit surprised if this is overturned though.
 
That's a good point, would they take into account the double jeopardy rule? Given that the penalty was given, it should be a yellow card. If it was a free-kick then you could argue it should have been a red.

It is actually the penalty decision that is incorrect in my opinion.
Dunno where he learned that then.. Kill Bill?

Contact and then 5 meters later the lads legs go. It was like the white line was electrified. Dodgy af!

The ref went on the crowds reaction.
 
That's not the law though. Intent has not been a consideration for a physical contact foul since 1995.

What should be considered, whether he meant it or not, is was there enough force from Dael to send Stewart tumbling like a sack of *****.

The obvious answer is no, there wasn't.. any 'contact' stopped a pace or two before he throws himself to the ground (once he realised he wasn't getting to the ball/was near the box).
 
I see these arm challenges every weekend often, at corners, by attackers and defenders, its rare for free kicks to be given, especially for use of arms by a defender that results in a penalty. Sometimes shirt pulling is never punished, never mind use of arms.

If we lose the appeal does Fry get an extra punishment 2 match ban?
 
The last action by Fry was a push which lead to Stewart going down in the direction of the push.

Happened just outside the box by a fraction. Could be prevented a goal scoring opportunity and a red but no penalty. But it was so close to the line I can see why both the red card and penalty was given.
 
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