Starmers motion to bar Corbyn being Labour Candidate

It will cause a bit of a ruck
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Starmer has laid out the logic - with Starmer endorsed it diminishes the chances of a Labour win.

I probably agree with him on that.
Others won’t but - at least we understand.

As for JC - he can stand as an independent will get elected and continue to do what he does.
 
asredastheycome said:
I am almost ashamed to say I voted for him. Seriously thinking of cancelling my membership.

He certainly changed his tune from 2020

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My brother and his wife are considering cancelling theirs and I never joined when I returned from the States as I'm not happy with this kind of thing.

Edit: Obviously I'll be voting Labour at the General Election when it happens.
 
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1finny said:
It will cause a bit of a ruck
But
Starmer has laid out the logic - with Starmer endorsed it diminishes the chances of a Labour win.

I probably agree with him on that.
Others won’t but - at least we understand.

As for JC - he can stand as an independent will get elected and continue to do what he does.
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Absolutely this.

On balance I think it's the right decision.
 
All this does is plays into the hands of the tories and those spreading this clearly have their own agenda.

Do they want another Tory win ???

It’s like the Bernie Sanders mob that wanted trump over Hillary.

I don’t get it at all.
 
It's rather telling that in that document they say the purpose of the Labour Party is to win and not to make things better for people. The whole ethos of the Labour party has always been, and I hate the term, a broad church. Opinions and ideas from across the spectrum of the party are essential but it is clear that they are only interested in winning and they are only interested in their very narrow view of picking up voters (whoever they are) and no longer have any interest in representing the people they should be representing.

Clearly they think they can win without the left and they assume enough people will vote for them because "at least they are not Tories" and they are probably right. I find it unfathomable that any genuine left leaning person would consider that good enough and I am absolutely baffled that anyone that has any interest in improving things would defend it.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
It comes down to the choice between supporting JC and thereby damaging Labours chances at the next GE, or not.
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I disagree.

Corbyn is only front and centre because of these political games.

It's a blatent attempt to rile up the left and get a reaction so the centrists can once again point the finger.

Then when it all goes wrong the same left will be blamed.

It's another deliberate attempt to harm the Labour party and Starmer should be censured for it.
 
Jedi boro said:
All this does is plays into the hands of the tories and those spreading this clearly have their own agenda.

Do they want another Tory win ???
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Keir Starmer you mean?

The person who has created this and therefore made it another potential public battleground?

What damage would be done to the wider Labour party by letting Corbyn stand in the constituency he's held since the 80s.

At worst they'd lose that one seat if his constituents truly believe he's the evil bogeyman he's been portrayed as.

Now there'll be another large chunk of the left who will seriously reconsider who they're willing to stand alongside and vote for.
 
Scrote said:
I disagree.

Corbyn is only front and centre because of these political games.

It's a blatent attempt to rile up the left and get a reaction so the centrists can once again point the finger.

Then when it all goes wrong the same left will be blamed.

It's another deliberate attempt to harm the Labour party and Starmer should be censured for it.
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I understand that point of view, and have some sympathy with it.

It's a fact that Corbyn has been characterised by the right wing press and is consequently seen in this (inherently unfair) light by voters thar the Labour Party will need to woo in order to win the next GE.

It's a tough one, but I think it's a very pragmatic decision and Corbyn can do stand as an independent candidate, and almost certainly be re-elected.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
I understand that point of view, and have some sympathy with it.

It's a fact that Corbyn has been characterised by the right wing press and is consequently seen in this (inherently unfair) light by voters thar the Labour Party will need to woo in order to win the next GE.

It's a tough one, but I think it's a very pragmatic decision and Corbyn can do stand as an independent candidate, and almost certainly be re-elected.
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And just bin any and all notions of "solidarity"? Let the right-wing press continually get away with it so we can never have nice things?

As mentioned above - it's coming from the same place as the Labour leadership calculating that not supporting striking workers will win more votes than it loses.
 
He claims that the party is a Social Democratic party. In European terms he’s moving onto CDU territory
(christian democratic union) Tory light. But seeing how far right they have moved, it will end up not so light.
 
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