Starmers motion to bar Corbyn being Labour Candidate

Scrote said:
You'd need to define "success" and "hard left" for any meaningful comment.

We've never had a "hard left" Labour government because Labour has never been a vehicle for the "hard left".
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Success is a Labour government, rather than a Conservative one - I would have that that was self-evident?

Of course we've never hard left government, it was a rhetorical question really.

The more moderate and centrist Labour policy is, the more chance it has of winning enough votes.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Success is a Labour government, rather than a Conservative one - I would have that that was self-evident?

Of course we've never hard left government, it was a rhetorical question really.

The more moderate and centrist Labour policy is, the more chance it has of winning enough votes.
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Exactly NOTHING else matters
 
And Blair has the blood on his hands of 1 million dead and displaced Iraq`s.
Murdered on a pack of lies. Along with 179 British servicemen - who were sent to their deaths on the fiction of "liberation".
He needs to stand alongside Putin in the ICC.
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newyddion said:
Why would he retire?
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In my opinion he could do more good leading and fundraising for his campaign organisation. The thing the left needs more than anything is for its policies to be talked about. Look at the support Mick Lynch was able to win for striking workers over the last year just by being able to out argue the media.

I know he's a great constituency MP so it'll be nice for the folk in Islington North if he stands and wins as an independent. But what benefit would there be to the rest of us? He'll have zero direct influence on policy whether it's a Labour or Tory gov.

Starmer's faction are so vexxed by Corbyn's presence it honestly might be easier for the wider left to extract compromises from a right wing Labour government without his face being there. I'm really not exaggerating much to say I'd worry about a PM Starmer launching some kind of ground war with Russia just for the sake of contradicting something Corbyn says about the need for peace talks in the next parliament.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Success is a Labour government, rather than a Conservative one - I would have that that was self-evident?
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Jedi boro said:
Exactly NOTHING else matters
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:rolleyes: Whats the difference if what you end up with is a "pro-business", anti-union, Thatcherite party that criminalises protests? How will you be able to tell that you don't have a Conservative government? Starmer's Labour are like the pigs at the end of Animal Farm.
 
SuperStu said:
In my opinion he could do more good leading and fundraising for his campaign organisation. The thing the left needs more than anything is for its policies to be talked about. Look at the support Mick Lynch was able to win for striking workers over the last year just by being able to out argue the media.

I know he's a great constituency MP so it'll be nice for the folk in Islington North if he stands and wins as an independent. But what benefit would there be to the rest of us? He'll have zero direct influence on policy whether it's a Labour or Tory gov.

Starmer's faction are so vexxed by Corbyn's presence it honestly might be easier for the wider left to extract compromises from a right wing Labour government without his face being there. I'm really not exaggerating much to say I'd worry about a PM Starmer launching some kind of ground war with Russia just for the sake of contradicting something Corbyn says about the need for peace talks in the next parliament.
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Seems a bit of a stretch to go from being a hugely popular Labour leader to throwing the towel in on the back of Starmers Liberal Undemocrats recent decision.
 
SuperStu said:
I know he's a great constituency MP so it'll be nice for the folk in Islington North if he stands and wins as an independent. But what benefit would there be to the rest of us? He'll have zero direct influence on policy whether it's a Labour or Tory gov.

Starmer's faction are so vexxed by Corbyn's presence it honestly might be easier for the wider left to extract compromises from a right wing Labour government without his face being there. I'm really not exaggerating much to say I'd worry about a PM Starmer launching some kind of ground war with Russia just for the sake of contradicting something Corbyn says about the need for peace talks in the next parliament.
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I’ve seen some tosh on here over the years but I think your last sentence might be the most ridiculous thing I’ve read in my life
 
SuperStu said:
:rolleyes: Whats the difference if what you end up with is a "pro-business", anti-union, Thatcherite party that criminalises protests? How will you be able to tell that you don't have a Conservative government? Starmer's Labour are like the pigs at the end of Animal Farm.
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In your opinion.

I think that a more centrist Labour only ever have a realistic chance at success, as history has proven - do you not agree?

Do you not think a more moderate Labour would be an infinitely better government than the current Tory catastrophe?
 
newyddion said:
Labour’s 2017 manifesto was moderate.
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And we come back to its leader, who the right wing press weaponised - this is the very thing this thread is about.

I have a lot of respect for JC and his workd view, but that's not the issue under debate here.
 
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Jonny Ingbar said:
I think that a more centrist Labour only ever have a realistic chance at success, as history has proven - do you not agree?

Do you not think a more moderate Labour would be an infinitely better government than the current Tory catastrophe?
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I definitely don't agree that history has proven being centrist = election success. The centrists have a real knack for throwing Miliband, Brown, Kinnock, the Lib Dems, Change UK all down the memory hole eh?
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
And we come back to its leader, who the right wing press weaponised - this is the bet thing this thread is about.

I have a lot of redirect for JC and his workd view, but that's not the issue under debate here.
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Getting back to the right wing press dictating our leaders
 
SuperStu said:
I definitely don't agree that history has proven being centrist = election success. The centrists have a real knack for throwing Miliband, Brown, Kinnock, the Lib Dems, Change UK all down the memory hole eh?
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I think that post just proves my point?
 
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