Starmers response to rishi pledges

Glover_elbow

Glover_elbow

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asredastheycome said:
Also said he will borrow to invest so that could be NHS, Public Services, Wind Farms, Nuclear Power or many things so let's not jump the gun until the policies are announced in the next few weeks.

Or does that not meet the OPs agenda
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My agenda is he won't spend or borrow to get out of this mess, and i can't see any other way of reversing decling in public services without a massive injection of public spending so it's a Tory light manifesto.
 
h_m_boro

h_m_boro

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Glover_elbow said:
My agenda is he won't spend or borrow to get out of this mess, and i can't see any other way of reversing decling in public services without a massive injection of public spending so it's a Tory light manifesto.
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I have to agree. Even if he gets elected as next PM I can't see the massive Blair feelgood factor sweeping the country.

Just a bit of relief the Tory crooks, liars and shysters have gone then back to Starmer doing his utmost to keep the establishment happy.

Just can't see a huge change happening tbh......and based on the last few years of continued shyte we absolutely need it.
 
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Colgates_shaving_foam

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Anything is better than the current government so the first thing we have to do is suck it up, put our big boy pants on and vote for Labour or whichever party in your constituency that can kick the tories out.

Then we can argue about how far to the left we should be going.

The voters in this country are not yet ready to vote in large enough number for a corbyn, we have to accept that for now.
 
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Nano

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Colgates_shaving_foam said:
Anything is better than the current government so the first thing we have to do is suck it up, put our big boy pants on and vote for Labour or whichever party in your constituency that can kick the tories out.

Then we can argue about how far to the left we should be going.

The voters in this country are not yet ready to vote in large enough number for a corbyn, we have to accept that for now.
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Now could not be a better time. People are actively looking to vote for anyone but the Tories so why bend over backwards to attract them anyway by moving away from the left entirely. If they start right of centre it becomes hard to move left. Start left and you don't need to.
 
Primus84

Primus84

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To govern you first have to be elected. Blair understood that and it was reflected in his first term budget commitments.

We’ve tried presenting the public with a more radical agenda and been comprehensively beaten. We have to be more circumspect and take people with us gradually rather than trying to say we’ll build Rome in a day.
 
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Nano

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Primus84 said:
To govern you first have to be elected. Blair understood that and it was reflected in his first term budget commitments.

We’ve tried presenting the public with a more radical agenda and been comprehensively beaten. We have to be more circumspect and take people with us gradually rather than trying to say we’ll build Rome in a day.
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Again that's not true. Why do people keep claiming this nonsense as fact? The radical agenda was massively popular. For the first time in a very long time people actually wanted to vote for Labour, not just against the Tories. Voters didn't like Corbyn and they didn't like Labour's non-position on Brexit.
 
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Colgates_shaving_foam

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Nano said:
Now could not be a better time. People are actively looking to vote for anyone but the Tories so why bend over backwards to attract them anyway by moving away from the left entirely. If they start right of centre it becomes hard to move left. Start left and you don't need to.
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I have no idea why far too many voters in this country given a sniff of any kind of 'lefty nonsense' will dart back to the tories quicker than a rat up a drainpipe.
 
Primus84

Primus84

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Nano said:
Again that's not true. Why do people keep claiming this nonsense as fact? The radical agenda was massively popular. For the first time in a very long time people actually wanted to vote for Labour, not just against the Tories. Voters didn't like Corbyn and they didn't like Labour's non-position on Brexit.
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We didn’t win though did we? The reasons for the Tories winning last time are complex and varied and are not just down to Brexit.

Remember the derision when Corbyn suddenly announced the free broadband policy? The Labour campaign was messy and lacked proper planning and structure.

To be elected in the UK you have to appeal to a broad group of people, going to the extremes of the left wing will only serve up yet another Tory government.
 
Paintolerance

Paintolerance

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Labour have got to this position by playing safe and sensible, and ramming home to the public how utterly useless and corrupt this current government is.

I would love them to push much further left but, to do so, to use a football analogy, would be like being 3 nil up with 10 minutes left, bringing 3 strikers on to push for more and getting beat 4-3
 
festa5

festa5

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Primus84 said:
Remember the derision when Corbyn suddenly announced the free broadband policy? The Labour campaign was messy and lacked proper planning and structure.
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Isn't that the key point? The campaign was poor.

I don't think the problem was with the policies, they were generally very popular.

They also weren't as far left as most of the media tried to portray. Socialist yes. But only in the way countries like Sweden or Denmark are socialist. They certainly weren't communist or Marxist or whatever the daily Heil would have people believe.

They needed to be campaigned on and communicated better. A bit of "spin" wouldn't have hurt either. And yes, free broadband as one of your headlines was F***ing stupid (although the policy itself was sensible, but perception matters in politics and it was always going to attacked that one).

Anyway point being the country will vote for a party with socialist policies, they're popular. Labour just needed to be much smarter about it.

Starmer is too cautious for me. He doesn't need to be radical, but I think he's far too wary of the right wing media.

I'll be voting to remove the Tory crooks either way, but it is frustrating.
 
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m3t4tr0n

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festa5 said:
Isn't that the key point? The campaign was poor.

I don't think the problem was with the policies, they were generally very popular.

They also weren't as far left as most of the media tried to portray. Socialist yes. But only in the way countries like Sweden or Denmark are socialist. They certainly weren't communist or Marxist or whatever the daily Heil would have people believe.

They needed to be campaigned on and communicated better. A bit of "spin" wouldn't have hurt either. And yes, free broadband as one of your headlines was F***ing stupid (although the policy itself was sensible, but perception matters in politics and it was always going to attacked that one).

Anyway point being the country will vote for a party with socialist policies, they're popular. Labour just needed to be much smarter about it.

Starmer is too cautious for me. He doesn't need to be radical, but I think he's far too wary of the right wing media.

I'll be voting to remove the Tory crooks either way, but it is frustrating.
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I am also really unimpressed with a lot that comes out of his mouth, but, like you, I will still vote for labour and Starmer knows this, because, what other choice do I have ? He's not trying to appeal to me :(
 
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