This is the problem, mate. We don't have an opposition with Starmer leading the party.
Starmers response to rishi pledges
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1finny
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He only has one objective
To get elected.
He’s chosen a different route to the one you have outlined.
If he gets elected judge him on what he does.
Judging on promises is nothing more than fantasy
1finny
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You know exactly what I mean. An opposition is supposed to oppose the government. Starmer usually leaves that to the SNP.
viv_andersons_nana
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Of course I’m not happy to stick with the Tories. But I’m allowed to express concern about the direction or messaging or proposals of the opposition.
You just can’t sit on the sidelines while the country goes to ruin for another 18 months. People are dying NOW. I just don’t think you can avoid saying these things TBH. Blair did it repeatedly. You get out there and you hammer your message home.
And if you don’t think your message can win an election with all that’s going on right now, and you’d be better just twiddling your thumbs for as long as possible, hoping nobody asks anything of you, then it isn’t the right message IMO.
1finny
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Fair enough - message deleted
Blf
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Some absolute rubbish posted on here. To claim Labour had massively popular policies at the last election is a joke. The tories had a massive win and left Labour trailing in their wake.
Starmer is much more electable and knows that to get in power he can't just say he will spend spend spend.
The left wing of the party will never accept him, but people like me who did not vote Labour for the first time in nearly 50 yrs of voting will be coming back to the party at the next election. Starmer has got what it takes.
Starmer is much more electable and knows that to get in power he can't just say he will spend spend spend.
The left wing of the party will never accept him, but people like me who did not vote Labour for the first time in nearly 50 yrs of voting will be coming back to the party at the next election. Starmer has got what it takes.
1finny
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That’s out of order fella
In 2017 they did and they came within touching distance despite the establishment onslaught, probably one of the best manifestos I have seen ... this ensured that they quadrupled their efforts for 2019 and it was then lost. This is not the same thing as saying the policies were unpopular.
Is it? Why? If more people like him had voted Labour in the last election we wouldn't be in this mess.
Blf
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Ha, now I know I made the right decision.
1finny
Well-known member
Given that context - I get it.
I didn’t with your one liner….
What does this mean? He's leader of one of the main political parties and has been for 3 years now. It is (or at least recently was) the largest party in Europe. If that's not "a chance" what is?
We shouldn't see a government being elected without divulging what their policies are (as per Boris Johnson) as a norm.
sherlock1969
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We're two years out from an election, why would they be setting out their full policy manifesto now?
Jedi boro
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1finny
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Suppose it depend on how you deterring ‘chance’.
In opposition the ’chance’ is to put yourself in a position to win an election. Arguably on track to do that.
Policies, we are told, are being worked up and The Guardian report (not always Starmer’s friend) discusses how ‘radical and left’ some of those will be.
Just one policy would be nice. Problem is that we all know that Starmer is completely untrustworthy. He got elected leader on a pack of lies.
Blf
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No I wasn't. My vote goes to who I feel would make life better for me and my family. That was never going to be Corbyn for reasons I have gone over many times on here and won't be doing again.