I think a lot of folks memories have faltered and for some reason now they can only remember as far back as Boris Johnson and Brexit. It hasn't always been this way. 10, 20 years ago it was a perfectly normal phenomenon that political parties in government or in opposition would actually talk about the policies they wanted to enact. It's a very recent expectation that all policies should be kept hidden until 6 weeks before an election is held.
Starmers response to rishi pledges
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I think a lot of folks memories have faltered and for some reason now they can only remember as far back as Boris Johnson and Brexit. It hasn't always been this way. 10, 20 years ago it was a perfectly normal phenomenon that political parties in government or in opposition would actually talk about the policies they wanted to enact. It's a very recent expectation that all policies should be kept hidden until 6 weeks before an election is held.
Chris_Boro
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Nothing to do with shame, we run elections based on manifestos and manifestos are not announced 2 years in advance when too many variables can change, which may lead to commitments being out of date or unaffordable.
Which of course, you would then criticise as breaking promises.
Please
Unaffordable? Pull the other one. The government has as much money as it decides it has.The idea of most policies becoming out of date is daft as well. Do you think we've stopped using gas and electricity? People don't need clean water in their homes anymore?
Ex Footy Legs
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Not true and you know it
Labour will cut all the eton led loopholes which will generate the funds which the Tory boys would rather freeze tax allowances for ordinary working people and make our society fairer rather than incredibly unfair after 13 tortuous years of Tory rich boys rule
Jess pretty much admitted that a vote for the current sh*t-show of a Labour party would be a vote for more austerity, way back in October.
relfyoftheboro
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Our two main political parties do not represent the majority of people's interests in this country. They are both in the service of Capital and exist purely to maintain a system that allows the maximum amount of profit to be extracted from this country and its people.
The vast majority of the press, including the BBC, also present the interests of Capital as paramount. Everything is framed around money and how much can be made or lost.
Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing will change in this country until the majority of people wake up to this fact and start fighting back. Voting feels rather pointless, given the choices will make no difference to peoples lives.
Our planet is ****ed, we're literary killing it, making no real effort to reverse the causes and we're all sat here arguing the toss over people who will not make one iota of difference to the existential crisis' we face today.
There was a small window of opportunity for changes to be made but the mild socialism that was offered at the time would of meant less money going to the top 1%. Their vastly disproportionate power meant they could (and still do) convince enough people to vote against their interests.
The vast majority of the press, including the BBC, also present the interests of Capital as paramount. Everything is framed around money and how much can be made or lost.
Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing will change in this country until the majority of people wake up to this fact and start fighting back. Voting feels rather pointless, given the choices will make no difference to peoples lives.
Our planet is ****ed, we're literary killing it, making no real effort to reverse the causes and we're all sat here arguing the toss over people who will not make one iota of difference to the existential crisis' we face today.
There was a small window of opportunity for changes to be made but the mild socialism that was offered at the time would of meant less money going to the top 1%. Their vastly disproportionate power meant they could (and still do) convince enough people to vote against their interests.
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Blf
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No not at all. Did we break your heart sending Jeremy into the political wilderness awwww.
Chris_Boro
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Please
The idea of most policies becoming out of date is daft as well. Do you think we've stopped using gas and electricity? People don't need clean water in their homes anymore?
The electorate don't believe in the unlimited money theory, you are ridiculously nieve if you believe any political party can win an election with that view point.
Policies that are not costed will be ridiculed and that allows the Tories/RWM to deflect attention away from their own failures.
After 14/15 years of the Tories decimating the nation, Labour must go back to basics and those basics will not include radical left wing policies of infinite spending.
NHS, Social care, education and crime are my priorities, they are in a critical state of near ruin. They need a Labour government just like they did under Blairs landslide. Anything else in the first term is a bonus.
h_m_boro
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Will anyone be voting for their local MP because they actually do a good job? I will. Bollox to Starmer (even though I may well help him to get to No 10) but our local MP imo is doing what I expect him to - seen in the community, been on picket lines for the posties/rail workers/nurses. 
MolteniArcore
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Oh dear Stu, back to insults are we?
Only appropriate response whenever the tired "YoU mUsT lIkE tHe ToRiEs ThEn
" comes out.Mad to call anyone naive when you're typing this. Labour have had two costed manifestos ever. I think UKIP costed theirs once also. Whether a policy is costed or not is not the determining factor for whether the British media will support/attack/ridicule a policy or politician.
I don't think that most people bothered to read the manifestos, mate. They just read the headlines. They were both fully costed, as you said and offered real, meaningful change. Unfortunately a pamphlet that just said 'Get Brexit Done' over and over again appealed more to our sh*t-thick electorate.
As my MP is Matt Vickers, and is an absolute waste of space, let alone being a tory, no, I most certainly won't be. Sounds like you have a good one though.Will anyone be voting for their local MP because they actually do a good job? I will. Bollox to Starmer (even though I may well help him to get to No 10) but our local MP imo is doing what I expect him to - seen in the community, been on picket lines for the posties/rail workers/nurses.
asredastheycome
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Like Labour coming up with the windfall tax for the oil companies which the Tories laughed at only to claim for their own a few months later.
asredastheycome
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Did the Tories ever publish their manifesto prior to the last election.
Behave yourself. That's the most pathetic 'centrist', excuse ever for not having any policies. We can't have any policies because the Tories might steal them. If they're good policies and the Tories do steal them, then that's better for everyone, surely?
asredastheycome
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Will anyone be voting for their local MP because they actually do a good job? I will. Bollox to Starmer (even though I may well help him to get to No 10) but our local MP imo is doing what I expect him to - seen in the community, been on picket lines for the posties/rail workers/nurses.
Well that rules Jacob Young out so you obviously dont live in Redcar
asredastheycome
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Don't consider myself centrist at all. I would of jumped through hoops if Corbyn had got in power. He was the breath of fresh air I had been waiting for. I just think its a long time to the next election(but coming fast) and a lot can change in the next 18 months. No point yet announcing things that you may have to change or u-turn as the term is called.
He said today that the policies will be announced in the next few weeks so hang fire.