Tav.

A decent price for him to enable Wilder to build a side will be a good move in January. This can be said of a a couple of other ineffective Boro players because at the moment we are going nowhere.
Who will pay a price on his present showing I don't know.
 
Its make or beak time for Tav. He cant keep promising so much with fleeting glimpses of what is is capable of, then consistently fail to deliver.

If he has the talent, which I suspect he very well might have, why is he not performing or improving? Is it down to attitude? work ethic? (although last night he showed he can follow his man back and make crucial defensive tackles) or does he just know better than his coaches and cant stick to the plan?
 
Why do you think he has a bad attitude?
Why would experienced managers like Warnock and Wilder play him every match if he has a bad attitude?

Why would Wilder reference him amongst the 'experienced players' who played well on Sat if he was such a liability?

"“I thought (Lee) Peltier, (Paddy) McNair, (Jonny) Howson were great, (Marcus) Tavernier was outstanding,”
I don't understand where the attitude thing has come from. He's always put in a decent shift for us. It's one of those strange ones where people have assigned a personality to him with no evidence. It feels like the Andrew Taylor "strut" stuff again.
 
I don't understand where the attitude thing has come from. He's always put in a decent shift for us. It's one of those strange ones where people have assigned a personality to him with no evidence. It feels like the Andrew Taylor "strut" stuff again.
Putting in a decent shift isnt good enough, nor has it ever been. We shouldn't be excepting a pi$$ poor performance as being ok because a player runs around a lot. Its Boro in a nutshell.

Where was Tav when the rapid and stealthy Ched Evans ghosted past him to nod his unchallenged header into the net?
 
It's clear from Wilder's presser that he'll only get in the team if does what Wilder wants, not what he wants.

The lad has talent but his decision making and positional play often leave a lot to be desired. Agree with the make or break comment from above, unless he turns it on between now and Jan I can see us signing a player to replace him being more effective in that role.

He'd do a lot worse than copy Crookes at the moment.
 
Putting in a decent shift isnt good enough, nor has it ever been. We shouldn't be excepting a pi$$ poor performance as being ok because a player runs around a lot. Its Boro in a nutshell.

Where was Tav when the rapid and stealthy Ched Evans ghosted past him to nod his unchallenged header into the net?
That's all very well but it's not hugely relevant to the point I was making regarding attitude
 
Players who don't do a shimmy sometimes hit bad free kicks and suffer poor form. I'm sure you know absolutely nothing about his personality.
Nor do you.
You can only judge him by what he shows on the pitch and therefore he has picked up all the pathetic traits that footballers display these days, football fashion ,he would be wearing a snood no doubt ,if they hadn’t been banned.
 
Putting in a decent shift isnt good enough, nor has it ever been. We shouldn't be excepting a pi$$ poor performance as being ok because a player runs around a lot. Its Boro in a nutshell.

Where was Tav when the rapid and stealthy Ched Evans ghosted past him to nod his unchallenged header into the net?
why on earth was one of our worst headers of the ball marking one of their best would be the question I'd be asking?
 
Nor do you.
You can only judge him by what he shows on the pitch and therefore he has picked up all the pathetic traits that footballers display these days, football fashion ,he would be wearing a snood no doubt ,if they hadn’t been banned.
Well you're right, I don't know anything about him, that's why I'm not inventing personality traits
 
Regarding Tavs alleged poor attitude, I remember there being a story on here years back that during a pre-season game he'd decided to try some fancy trick and lost the ball. Clayton pulled him up on it and Tav apparently told him to fucck off.

Whether it was true or not, who knows.
 
having the attitude to stick to the plan and go with the player you are supposed to be marking to prevent him having a free header on goal?
That just happens though doesn't it in any team. A big experienced striker getting away from a small midfielder isn't exactly unusual. Have the Preston players responsible for not picking up McNair all got attitude issues?
 
That just happens though doesn't it in any team. A big experienced striker getting away from a small midfielder isn't exactly unusual. Have the Preston players responsible for not picking up McNair all got attitude issues?
I think there are tactical lapses of judgement, McNairs goal being an example, where a team are zone defending and dealing effectively with previous McNair corners, then get caught out with a player in a zone not being covered.

I think this is different to a player being assigned a man and losing him.

Maybe "poor attitude" is the wrong term, maybe its application or execution that is his issue?
 
Regarding Tavs alleged poor attitude, I remember there being a story on here years back that during a pre-season game he'd decided to try some fancy trick and lost the ball. Clayton pulled him up on it and Tav apparently told him to fucck off.

Whether it was true or not, who knows.
Why repeat it then?
 
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