The end?

Nobody said it wasn't reasonable to challenge it. What people ARE saying is that you don't need to spam the post with the same repetitive snipes post after post, day after day.
Not the same post, not every day.

I’ll post as I see fit.
 
I think points have been made in defence of stances by both sides in this little disagreement (mwelolo v others), I think agree to disagree and let the thread continue as it is meant to rather than have it descend into a squabble.

Fair?
That's what I think too.

We've managed to maintain a fascinating, well mannered and civil, thread. We even managed to stay away from UK politics - which was refreshing.

Lets keep it respectful.
 
I think there has been a great deal of wild speculation, presented as coming from someone who is in the know ,which has consistently not come to fruition.

I have been saying this for months.

However, I am not suggesting there is anything malicious or deliberately duplicitous in this.

You are skating on thin ice.
Firstly, whatever your doubts about the source, he would not be still in his job if he was consistently wrong about this conflict, and the associated geo-politics. He is actually (unlike most of us) paid for his opinions on this terrible war.
Secondly, just because some of what you read on here is at variance with what you read on the BBC or in main stream news sources, doesn't mean that what you read here is wrong. On the contrary, it is often what you get from the mainstream media that is wrong/ill-informed. And I say that as someone who has worked in the mainstream media for decades.
Lastly, it is pretty clear what is speculation. Right or wrong, it is generally informed speculation.
There is a world of difference between healthy scepticism/disbelief and stating that what I chose to share on this thread is "misinformation". Take it or leave it has always been the guidance.
 
You are skating on thin ice.
Firstly, whatever your doubts about the source, he would not be still in his job if he was consistently wrong about this conflict, and the associated geo-politics. He is actually (unlike most of us) paid for his opinions on this terrible war.
Secondly, just because some of what you read on here is at variance with what you read on the BBC or in main stream news sources, doesn't mean that what you read here is wrong. On the contrary, it is often what you get from the mainstream media that is wrong/ill-informed. And I say that as someone who has worked in the mainstream media for decades.
Lastly, it is pretty clear what is speculation. Right or wrong, it is generally informed speculation.
There is a world of difference between healthy scepticism/disbelief and stating that what I chose to share on this thread is "misinformation". Take it or leave it has always been the guidance.
Misinformation, not disinformation.

WhiIst information has been inaccurate I have never suggested it was deliberately misleading.
 
You are skating on thin ice.
Firstly, whatever your doubts about the source, he would not be still in his job if he was consistently wrong about this conflict, and the associated geo-politics. He is actually (unlike most of us) paid for his opinions on this terrible war.
Secondly, just because some of what you read on here is at variance with what you read on the BBC or in main stream news sources, doesn't mean that what you read here is wrong. On the contrary, it is often what you get from the mainstream media that is wrong/ill-informed. And I say that as someone who has worked in the mainstream media for decades.
Lastly, it is pretty clear what is speculation. Right or wrong, it is generally informed speculation.
There is a world of difference between healthy scepticism/disbelief and stating that what I chose to share on this thread is "misinformation". Take it or leave it has always been the guidance.

I was gong to say, his speculation might be wrong much of the time, but it isn't wild. It's well thought out, rational and reasonable. No-one can know all the pieces on a board as complicated as this.

When all of this is over and the military experts and historians pour all over this conflict I suspect we will indeed find our friend was a lot more accurate than the mainstream media on the parlous state of the Russian forces vs Ukraine's.

It's always good to have a voice of doubt/opposition though.
 

I'm not sure how you can claim there hasn't been misinformation in this thread.

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On multiple occasions there have been posts by yourself and your source that Putin is under house arrest and replaced by body doubles and then claiming he was dead.

Along with plenty of other things that never panned out.

Unless you both still think Putin is dead, that's misinformation (which is not synonymous with disinformation).

Threatening a poster for questioning your information isn't a good look either.
 
I'm not sure how you can claim there hasn't been misinformation in this thread.

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On multiple occasions there have been posts by yourself and your source that Putin is under house arrest and replaced by body doubles and then claiming he was dead.

Along with plenty of other things that never panned out.

Unless you both still think Putin is dead, that's misinformation (which is not synonymous with disinformation).

Threatening a poster for questioning your information isn't a good look either.

There's nothing misleading in that post. Strelkov did post that video and did make that claim and it did cause a stir.
And, just for the avoidance of doubt, I have frequently welcomed Mwelolo's scepticism. I took exception to being accused of posting "misleading" info.
And, from yesterday ... sfter the Mariupol video cast some doubt over Putin being incapacitated, this is what came back later

"It was ixnay on that being Putin as more images was processed, and more soundbites was used.
It is an uncanny resemblance, but the bone structure and cartilage is sufficienctly different to not be him, and the voice was not a hit at all.

Basically we are back to assuming he is dead.
I mention this just to show how hard it is even for the best in the field with the best programs on Earth to divine what is what from video material and images"

So he, and his intelligence colleagues, are still of the same belief. Note the words "belief" and "assuming". Not that this is likely to make any difference to your view.
 
I'm not sure how you can claim there hasn't been misinformation in this thread.

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On multiple occasions there have been posts by yourself and your source that Putin is under house arrest and replaced by body doubles and then claiming he was dead.

Along with plenty of other things that never panned out.

Unless you both still think Putin is dead, that's misinformation (which is not synonymous with disinformation).

Threatening a poster for questioning your information isn't a good look either.
I have no 'insider' knowledge but there are plenty of other sources also claiming he's either dead or very ill, and not just on here.
 
I have no 'insider' knowledge but there are plenty of other sources also claiming he's either dead or very ill, and not just on here.

Plenty of misinformation, yeah.

He might well be ill, he's a bloated 70 year old **** leading a hugely destructive genocidal war and is inflicting huge self-harm on his own country, he's bound to be worse for wear.
I hope he is.

He clearly is not dead.

I hope he is soon.
 
Plenty of misinformation, yeah.

He might well be ill, he's a bloated 70 year old **** leading a hugely destructive genocidal war and is inflicting huge self-harm on his own country, he's bound to be worse for wear.
I hope he is.

He clearly is not dead.

I hope he is soon.
We really can't know whether he is alive or not. He may be.

There are numerous sources referring to doubles. It's not a new thing. Even Churchill had a double.
 
"He clearly is not dead."

For all you know, this could be misinformation.

Anway, for you and Mwelelo, best plan is stick to the Victor Meldrew line "I don't believe it".

That's fine. And please don't derail any more.
 
We really can't know whether he is alive or not. He may be.

There are numerous sources referring to doubles. It's not a new thing. Even Churchill had a double.

I've not questioned the possibility of body doubles, I'd expect such things from a paranoid quasi-dictator.

That's an entirely different thing to him actually being under house arrest with his goat, then dead, and then replaced by body doubles acting as puppets.
 
We really can't know whether he is alive or not. He may be.

There are numerous sources referring to doubles. It's not a new thing. Even Churchill had a double.
I really can’t imagine they would wheel a double out for in-depth discussions with Xi.
 
I can imagine a circumstance where this could happen with Xi's consent. Both countries being masters of controlling the domestic narrative.

I would just add, regarding polarised opinions, the best advice has already been given by another poster.

Agree to disagree, and move on.

Dont spoil the thread.
 
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