The end?

Yes I believe he did, totally unacceptable.
From Wiki;

A recurring rumour holds that some of Winston Churchill's most famous speeches to Parliament during World War II were subsequently recorded for radio broadcast not by Churchill, but by Norman Shelley impersonating Churchill. Churchill is known to have commented that Shelley's impersonations were excellent. Although the rumour has been promoted by some historians, there is a lack of supporting evidence, and it is best classified as an urban legend. Shelley did however record a performance of Churchill's "We shall fight on the beaches" speech, but that was several years after the speech was originally made.
 
Amen to that. I am generally of a pacifist persuasion and I do find myself overwhelmed by the horros of war, and this one in particular. I was saying to my friend that I feel extremely squeamish about the fate of all those conscripts, many of whom will either freeze to death next week or will be blown up, when really they should be at home with their families. He agreed but just said "Unfortunately, it's necessary". The thrust being, the sooner that there are decisive defeats the sooner the killing can stop.

That’s pretty much the same as me, I certainly used to be in favour of the UK giving up our nuclear deterrent… I’ve spent lots of time with Russians and love so much about the country, so I can’t take any pleasure in Russian deaths, it’s why I support Ukraine getting the help they need to boot Russia out and make them think twice about trying again 👍🏻
 
Exit stage left pursued by a bear.

Brief, but very important.
Surovikin decided he'd had enough and went home. Official line is he was fired (but he wasn't).
This is what actually prompted the request for ceasefire.

So, it's now well below zero in Donetsk and Luhansk and is likely to stay around the -10 mark for the foreseeable.
And they have no leader (yet, as far as I understand ... possibly Nikiforov).

Nothing on twitter. Pretty major news if true.
 
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Tonight's viewing: The Winter War (Russia's invasion of Finland, 1939).

I'll be honest, I've been to Sweden but had no idea Russia had ever been a threat to the country and it's only watching this and seeing the map that I realise why Sweden needs people like our man.
 
Tonight's viewing: The Winter War (Russia's invasion of Finland, 1939).

I'll be honest, I've been to Sweden but had no idea Russia had ever been a threat to the country and it's only watching this and seeing the map that I realise why Sweden needs people like our man.

And it's why the Finns, a fighty bunch at the best of times, are particularly hostile to Russia. Sweden actually downgraded its defence forces about 10 to 15 years ago as Russia was seen as less of a threat. They had early notice of Putin's grander imperial intentions and rapidly built those forces back up again over the last few years. The Russians were making regular sorties into Sweish territory by air and sea over the last couple of years. The special forces base in Arvidsjar had been mothballed, but is now back up and running. Our man was "retired" from his military and intelligence duties until last year when he was called back into service.
 
More in brief from Deep Throat (gonna call him that at work for a laugh one day).

Surovikin refused to attack Ukraine from Belarus. That's why he is gone.
Nikiforov is, and I am quoting our source here "a moron". He is, I believe, the general who had his troops digging trenches in Chernobyl.

So anyway, expect the Belarus attack to happen now.

Meanwhile, tank girl's brigade has begun their assault on Kreminna

Kraken regiment are having a go at Svatove,
 
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It's just a pathetic attempt by Russia and Putin to tar the Ukrainians rightly defending themselves as "un-Christian" and lacking honour.

"Those evil Ukrainians are shooting us on Christmas, despite our generous and Christian offer of a truce".

The fact they're only shooting because they've been invaded will of course be ignored by the Russian media.

The fact it has absolutely **** all to do with religion will also be conveniently overlooked.

Russians also had no problem attacking on 25th December either .

Quite a few Ukrainians have moved to that date for Christmas now because of Russia .
 
Sorry, just couldn’t cope with my go-to thread not being on the first page for so long

Haha. News blackout at the moment although last I heard Tank Girl was still alive and kicking the bejeezus ... I am worried about her though. Very dangerous around Kreminna.
 
Sorry I don't know how you can believe half the stuff written in this thread , Head line is " The End " written 5 months ago, Putin's still in Power, The MSN told of stories 11 months ago about serious illnesses which have been debunked there is no health issues with Putin , They are not sending out body doubles the whole thing is a disaster with NATO / US at fault. Ukraine is being used as a stick to beat Russia and it's costing a lot of lives and a lot of our money . This never started in 2022 this started back in 2014 ( Victoria Nuland )

I See most people on here are of the opinion Russia are the bad guys and that is that . If only things were that simple .

Nuland
 
Can't see what's funny about it all to be honest. All NATO Has achieved here is a step closer to all out nuclear war . No one wants that but it will happen the way they are going Russia are not going to lie down and allow regime change in Russia the same as China wont. that is what this is all about and always has been. Destabilise and insert puppet governments a tried a tested method see half of the middle east . These are the same people who told us all Saddam was 45 minutes away from sending weapons of mass destruction to these shores and as we all know that was a total and utter pack of lies. US want's to supply Europe with it's Gas which they are now doing , Russia's gas line blown up , Lots of money been made for the arms industry as usual, I can't believe no one see's all this.
 
Can't see what's funny about it all to be honest. All NATO Has achieved here is a step closer to all out nuclear war . No one wants that but it will happen the way they are going Russia are not going to lie down and allow regime change in Russia the same as China wont. that is what this is all about and always has been. Destabilise and insert puppet governments a tried a tested method see half of the middle east . These are the same people who told us all Saddam was 45 minutes away from sending weapons of mass destruction to these shores and as we all know that was a total and utter pack of lies. US want's to supply Europe with it's Gas which they are now doing , Russia's gas line blown up , Lots of money been made for the arms industry as usual, I can't believe no one see's all this.
mmmm - new poster
 
Sorry I don't know how you can believe half the stuff written in this thread , Head line is " The End " written 5 months ago, Putin's still in Power, The MSN told of stories 11 months ago about serious illnesses which have been debunked there is no health issues with Putin , They are not sending out body doubles the whole thing is a disaster with NATO / US at fault. Ukraine is being used as a stick to beat Russia and it's costing a lot of lives and a lot of our money . This never started in 2022 this started back in 2014 ( Victoria Nuland )

I See most people on here are of the opinion Russia are the bad guys and that is that . If only things were that simple .

Nuland
FFS another Putin double!
 
Russia / Ukraine is there business it matters nothing to me It's how the west always have a hand in stirring up these situations that gets my goat. If you think Iraq - Libya - Syria - Afghanistan - to name a few have been left in a better place since the wests meddling's you must be living on cloud cuckoo. The Taliban chased out the US forces and are now back in charge of Afghanistan how do people honestly believe they could win a war against Russia it is not going to happen. Destabilising Russia plan has failed Ukraine has paid the price and were all footing the Bill. Johnson and Co are no better than Blair all warmongers making money hand over fists while our Energy Bills rocket along with food, petrol and everything else you can name.
 
Russia / Ukraine is there business it matters nothing to me It's how the west always have a hand in stirring up these situations that gets my goat. If you think Iraq - Libya - Syria - Afghanistan - to name a few have been left in a better place since the wests meddling's you must be living on cloud cuckoo. The Taliban chased out the US forces and are now back in charge of Afghanistan how do people honestly believe they could win a war against Russia it is not going to happen. Destabilising Russia plan has failed Ukraine has paid the price and were all footing the Bill. Johnson and Co are no better than Blair all warmongers making money hand over fists while our Energy Bills rocket along with food, petrol and everything else you can name.
Stay away from any top floor open windows Vlad
 
"Russia / Ukraine is there business it matters nothing to me - well it does matter to many other people. It's how the west always have a hand in stirring up these situations that gets my goat. If you think Iraq - Libya - Syria - Afghanistan - remember 9-11? - to name a few have been left in a better place since the wests meddling's you must be living on cloud cuckoo. The Taliban chased out the US forces - it was always planned that West was going to pull out of there
and are now back in charge of Afghanistan how do people honestly believe they could win a war against Russia - yes actually. it is not going to happen. Destabilising Russia plan has failed Ukraine has paid the price and were all footing the Bill. Johnson and Co are no better than Blair all warmongers making money hand over fists while our Energy Bills rocket along with food, petrol and everything else you can name."
 
A Russian Bot

seriously ?

Has nothing I have said even been worth considering even just for a second? I userstand this is your thread and you believe what you believe like I believe what I believe I would not call some one a bot simply because I don't have a decent reply to what they have to say
 
"Russia / Ukraine is there business it matters nothing to me - well it does matter to many other people. It's how the west always have a hand in stirring up these situations that gets my goat. If you think Iraq - Libya - Syria - Afghanistan - remember 9-11? - to name a few have been left in a better place since the wests meddling's you must be living on cloud cuckoo. The Taliban chased out the US forces - it was always planned that West was going to pull out of there
and are now back in charge of Afghanistan how do people honestly believe they could win a war against Russia - yes actually. it is not going to happen. Destabilising Russia plan has failed Ukraine has paid the price and were all footing the Bill. Johnson and Co are no better than Blair all warmongers making money hand over fists while our Energy Bills rocket along with food, petrol and everything else you can name."


How does the West win a war against Russia and why do they want a war with Russia , Russia played a huge part in defeating Hitler they lost the most people out of all the nations in WWII . Please tell me why Russia is always the target and how the west could defeat Russia with out the planet going up in ashes .
 
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