The Guardian endorses Labour

TeaCider said:
It's never going to stop, especially if he's re-elected.
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I have seen tweets/insta posts of his and they are always full of comments about how he “came so close” and “nearly achieved the dream” etc. I don’t think any other politician gets that kind of nostalgia treatment. Do David Cameron and Gordon Brown I wonder?
 
Alzi said:
I don't think it's looking likely going by the Polls.
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I hope he's not, just so a line can be drawn under it, even though by all accounts he's been a thoroughly decent MP for Islington North.

But I've heard from a number of people campaigning for him and they seem very bullish about his chances, saying the response on the doors is almost unanimous.
 
I think it is a luke warm left leaning paper, I’m never convinced it is fully behind Labour and the working class. It is a bit liberal elite to me.
 
HolgateCorner said:
I think it is a luke warm left leaning paper, I’m never convinced it is fully behind Labour and the working class. It is a bit liberal elite to me.
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I don't think it is particularly left leaning. It's anti-Tory but if I had to put a pin in where its political compass would be I'd have said it was almost exactly in the centre. I'm surprised it has taken them so long to endorse Starmer's Labour unless they think he's gone too far right. They were very firmly anti-Corbyn and supportive of the right of the Labour party in trying to destroy Corbyn.
 
Nano said:
I don't think it is particularly left leaning. It's anti-Tory but if I had to put a pin in where its political compass would be I'd have said it was almost exactly in the centre. I'm surprised it has taken them so long to endorse Starmer's Labour unless they think he's gone too far right. They were very firmly anti-Corbyn and supportive of the right of the Labour party in trying to destroy Corbyn.
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I think that is probably right.

One thing they do, which I imagine a lot of people don't know, is that they allow columns from writers from across the political spectrum and after key events, get writers with different perspectives to comment. I wouldn't pretend that means writers from far right to far left, but it is a wide variance in views.
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
I think that is probably right.

One thing they do, which I imagine a lot of people don't know, is that they allow columns from writers from across the political spectrum and after key events, get writers with different perspectives to comment. I wouldn't pretend that means writers from far right to far left, but it is a wide variance in views.
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Yeah, agreed. It's better for it. They have that fella from the Tory website (Henry Hill is it? ) and a lass from the spectator writing opinion pieces and of course the likes of Owen Jones bashing Starmer. I'm interested in all of it, whether I agree with it or not.

I think pretty much all of their columnists make pretty good arguments or put across interesting insights.

Whether it's left of centre, right of centre or just bang on centre it's probably the closest thing to a proper newspaper that we have we left.
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
I think that is probably right.

One thing they do, which I imagine a lot of people don't know, is that they allow columns from writers from across the political spectrum and after key events, get writers with different perspectives to comment. I wouldn't pretend that means writers from far right to far left, but it is a wide variance in views.
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The Guardian definitely isn't centre: it's centre-left. I read it online every day and I believe it's by and large the best journalism out there. Some of the writers - Rafael Behr, Barney Ronay, Nesrine Malik - leave me awestruck in admiration.
As you say, the paper carries content from right-wing writers - Henry Hill, of ConservativeHome for one. It sticks in the craw a little - I mean, it's not as if they don't have their own papers! - but I supposed it's a mannered 'Look, we review the whole spectrum of opinion' type conceit we can live with.
 
festa5 said:
Yeah, agreed. It's better for it. They have that fella from the Tory website (Henry Hill is it? ) and a lass from the spectator writing opinion pieces and of course the likes of Owen Jones bashing Starmer. I'm interested in all of it, whether I agree with it or not.

I think pretty much all of their columnists make pretty good arguments or put across interesting insights.

Whether it's left of centre, right of centre or just bang on centre it's probably the closest thing to a proper newspaper that we have we left.
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Yeah, they have had the likes of Ancona going back a bit although don't think he's been featured prominently in a while.

I like hearing differing viewpoints.

The one thing that The Guardian get right is there is some nuance because of the different views.

I think it would be fair to say I'm left of centre but I would think Owen Jones is the writer I disagree with most. He's cracking on towards middle age and is just the other side of the political coin to someone like Dan Wooton. I don't like a lot of the writers but they make me think rather than tell me what to think, which I think is important.
 
I subscribe to The Guardian, and although it attempts to be political neutral it is absolutely anti-neoliberal. In today's version there is an article describing how Cameron and Osborne reaped total misery on Britain through austerity.

From what I can see, only The Guardian consistently tries to show people how bad the Tories really have been for 14 years.
 
Good to see Guardian and Economist supporting Labour. Would certainly hope Mirror does too, maybe Independent
Be surprised if any others do - although Sun likes to back the winners
 
equaliser said:
The Guardian definitely isn't centre: it's centre-left. I read it online every day and I believe it's by and large the best journalism out there. Some of the writers - Rafael Behr, Barney Ronay, Nesrine Malik - leave me awestruck in admiration.
As you say, the paper carries content from right-wing writers - Henry Hill, of ConservativeHome for one. It sticks in the craw a little - I mean, it's not as if they don't have their own papers! - but I supposed it's a mannered 'Look, we review the whole spectrum of opinion' type conceit we can live with.
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I am so old that I had a paper subscription. Lapsed, was reading free online for a while. But then thought I can afford a half pint a week (London prices) to support this slant in reporting. I don't mind the occasional Henry Hill (hasn't Tim Montgomerie had an article too) but, bleedin' ell, Simon Jenkins as a regular. Worth the money for John Crace and Martina Hyde.
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
Yeah, they have had the likes of Ancona going back a bit although don't think he's been featured prominently in a while.

I like hearing differing viewpoints.

The one thing that The Guardian get right is there is some nuance because of the different views.

I think it would be fair to say I'm left of centre but I would think Owen Jones is the writer I disagree with most. He's cracking on towards middle age and is just the other side of the political coin to someone like Dan Wooton. I don't like a lot of the writers but they make me think rather than tell me what to think, which I think is important.
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Aye, Owen Jones is a strange one as Im sure I'm fairly closely aligned to his position on a lot of things, but I don't like him. Think his absolutism is quite annoying, there's no much nuance to him.
 
Used to buy it in the era when it was customary to get a train into an office every day whilst wearing a suit. Bit of crossword on the way in. Bit more at lunchtime. Fail to finish it on train home. Simpler times.
 
Scrug said:
Isn’t the Mirror the only left wing paper?
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That's a tabloid, though.

No broadsheets in the UK are historically left leaning.

I haven't read a physical copy of The Guardian for years, but it is where I usually go online to get my daily news.
 
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