The right to work from home

Wiseman_Vaughn

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What do you think?

Changes to the law would "make it impossible for employers to insist on staff attending he workplace unless they show it is essential"

It's going to be a game changer if this goes through. Personally, I welcome this. I like being in the office but hate the commute. 3 hours everyday (15 hours a week, 60 hours a month) travelling on packed trains will not be missed. Obviously there will be times when it is required - Meetings etc but I can honestly say 95% of my time could be spent working from home. It's more relaxed and definitely more productive.

Working from Home
 
Also welcome this

Currently working from home for the last 15 months with no detriment to my work outputs

My normal office before the decision to allow me to WFH was in Derby some 5 hours away from were I live which meant I was staying in a hotel for 4 nights of the week

Just waiting for that call to return to the office ( although no indication this will happen yet ) and then I`ll be asking for justification why I need to, when clearly I can do my work remotely.

If the company insists then my notice will be going in
 
Prior to the pandemic I used to work from home one day a week and had the flexibility to in case of other unforeseen circumstances (eg snow days, awaiting delivery,medical or other similar appointments etc ). This arrangement suited me to the ground. I have a fairly lengthy commute of nearly an hour.

However I absolutely bloody hate working from home 5 days a week. I Don’t feel part of a team, I miss the camaraderie of the office, and being around people (I live alone). You don’t know what is going on in other teams and around the organisation. Plus I Can’t stand online meetings using teams.

horses for courses though
 
Hi Aet, good to see you here. You are right and I would urge anyone contemplating WFH completely to consider the affect it may have on their mental health. I worked with a guy, complete workaholic, who decided to WFH, created a home office in his garage used to disappear into there for upto 12 hours a day often doing extra at the weekend. Predictably it had a very negative affect on his mental health and he ended up in therapy. The important point is that we are a social species and we all, to a greater or lesser extent need people we need social interaction.

Personally, I have been offered "hybrid working" 2/3 days office 2/3 days WFH and I think that will work pretty well for me. It will reduce my weekly commuting and also allow me to maintain contact with colleague pretty regularly. There is also the societal benefit of less crowded commutes in busy cities, less pollution from fewer cars and a better environment.
 
Clearly the pandemic has changed working life completely. That coupled with technology advances make long commutes daily a thing of the past. (The train companies will take a massive hit mind)
 
Personally, I have been offered "hybrid working" 2/3 days office 2/3 days WFH and I think that will work pretty well for me. It will reduce my weekly commuting and also allow me to maintain contact with colleague pretty regularly. There is also the societal benefit of less crowded commutes in busy cities, less pollution from fewer cars and a better environment.
I suspect this is the way it will go at my workplace. I’ve had a few conversations with people who think they’ll be allowed to work from home 5 days a week. I think they are deluding themselves and really hope our management board resist this - although I do understand that this may work for some.
 
I’ve always had total flexibility to work from wherever I see fit. Pre-pandemic I used to take the opportunity to do it usually 2-3 days a week. Post-pandemic I don’t think it would be any different, but I do know that 5 days a week at home is too much and in my opinion is nowhere near as productive if your job involves talking to people and gaining information from them.
 
Having gone to a workplace for 37 years before the first lockdown came I really struggled with WFH at first but I’ve got used to it now and think it’s the future.

I think it will happen because it will be a vote winner.
 
What about the affect this will have on public transport (less demand) and the City Centre retail trade? I would have thought that the government would have been desperate to get us back there.

Given the choice, I would opt for 1-2 days ITO and 3 -4 at home. I think that connecting with fellow workers is a good thing at least 1 day a week.
 
I suspect this is the way it will go at my workplace. I’ve had a few conversations with people who think they’ll be allowed to work from home 5 days a week. I think they are deluding themselves and really hope our management board resist this - although I do understand that this may work for some.
Yes I agree - it will work for some and not others. But the key thing is the choice and flexibiity to do so.
 
I'm probably 2.5 days a week in the office at the moment, and the rest of the time split between site and home. I didn't like being forced to work from home or the office so flexible working to suit me works absolutely spot on.
 
Due to be made a permanent change for everything minus the odd meeting to be from home and I couldn't be happier about it. One huge benefit to come out of the last 18 months. WFH allows a much healthier lifestyle than before and productivity can only increase due to that. Hope as many businesses as possible embrace this change instead of working like we always have, especially when the tech is so widely available.
 
WFH could also make a big difference with where people choose to live. For example, my nephew has worked in London 5 years ago and pays a fortune in rent plus had 2 hrs commute each day. He has worked from home for the last 15 months and he is now wondering if paying such a high rent in London can be swapped for a mortgage and a nice house in the North. Obviously this would be taking into account the reduction in wages without the London uplift.
He may need to visit the office very occasionally and stay over but this should be only occasionally and he could have a lovely house to work from normally.
 
WFH could also make a big difference with where people choose to live. For example, my nephew has worked in London 5 years ago and pays a fortune in rent plus had 2 hrs commute each day. He has worked from home for the last 15 months and he is now wondering if paying such a high rent in London can be swapped for a mortgage and a nice house in the North. Obviously this would be taking into account the reduction in wages without the London uplift.
He may need to visit the office very occasionally and stay over but this should be only occasionally and he could have a lovely house to work from normally.
Good point. I wonder how this could affect long term property prices. It did occur to me that working in London is now a possibility.
 
horses for courses though

I think this is the key.

I'm not a fan of anyone being enforced to do anything that they feel impacts their health and well being negatively.

If it lower costs for employers, gives employees more free time and flexibility with child care/deliveries etc. and leads to less pollution/crowding from commuting, then it is win win surely?
 
Hybrid is of course the future, and my Zoom shares will be worth a fortune 😁

The only good to come out of this pandemic is that it's accelerated the argument and culture for working remotely by about 20 years.

I know we're not all lucky enough to have jobs where we're able to do it, and that it's not for everyone - and full time, certainly not that healthy.

But I think it's taught two big cultural shifts in business culture: (1) commuting is absolutely stupid; and (2) most full-time jobs can be done in less time, productivity isn't linked to time spent in an office, and work-life balance is a really important thing. Crucially, happy people work better.

Me, I've always taken a pay hit and worked flexibly, and just done my job quicker so I can enjoy the world outside more. I'd much rather work four days a week, just work harder and try and wangle higher wages, than be one of those people staring at their office clock to tick over to 5pm. Seems crazy. So much time is wasted in offices, and ironically I've always found that the ones who are obsessed with presenteeism, complain about being busy, and stare obsequiously at their watch when you arrive at 9.45am are the least productive employees, by far.

The bigger the company, the harder it is to shift the culture, so it's been quite revolutionary during COVID for businesses to learn that they won't fall over if no staff are in the office, and that employees are actually happier and just as productive.

The biggest challenges, apart from to commercial property and London landlords for whom I serenade with the world's tiniest violin, is actually to management. Again depends on the job, but when staff work remotely you've actually got to give them enough to do, project manage properly and judge their performance on actual performance and productivity, rather than Karen being at her desk all day telling everyone how busy she is while sending passive aggressive emails and doing group coffee orders which somehow take an hour. The perception of who's doing a good job and who isn't is tricky enough for management - especially bad managers who don't understand things - and harder when you can't physically watch staff. But then it's not meant to be easy, that's why they get paid the management bucks.

For workers, there are very few downsides to the 2 + 3 in office or home hybrid. More family time, more flexibility, time doing stuff you love, less time wasted on trains or in traffic, and if you knock off all your work an hour early, you can just go play with the dog.

I think the next shift, that will be not far behind will be to a four day week, on full time wages. Productivity is the key, presenteeism is not. If you're making a cabinet you should get paid for the cabinet, not the time you spend fannying about looking busy with the cabinet.
 
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I am firmly in the hybrid camp, I have been WFH since March and been in to my office once since then, back to my place of work twice and have had four site meetings up and down the country.

In an ideal world I will be given the flexibility and trust to choose my place of work, we have sites up and down the country that could allow me to hot desk if I need to be on site for anything and have already said I no longer need my permanent office.

My concern is the pressure will be applied to return to the office as we had an old fashioned management style that pre pandemic used to insist on us going to head office once a month to explain performance etc face to face. Maybe this attitude will now change.

I think I have said on here before my commute was 130 miles round trip and about 3 1/2 hours, having the flexibility to longer have to do this, IMO makes me much more productive and much more likely to be flexible with my working hours. I occasionally miss the buzz of the office, but not so much that I would want to return to how we used to be.
 
I think this is the key.

I'm not a fan of anyone being enforced to do anything that they feel impacts their health and well being negatively.

If it lower costs for employers, gives employees more free time and flexibility with child care/deliveries etc. and leads to less pollution/crowding from commuting, then it is win win surely?
I think the worry I have is that because people have been forced to work from home five days a week, it’ll become the default. I work in an office with 30 plus others and am in a specialist team of three. Very often as I’m Not the first port of call for queries the only contact I have is with the other two team members. Not good for communicating, wider team building and for a sense of belonging.
There are colleagues I haven’t spoken too since last February

I also think organisations have made some hasty decisions around closing offices and parts of their operation that will probably bite them on the **** in a few years time.

like I’ve already said though - horses for courses….
 
I moved back up north just before Christmas and I'm still working my London job from home and no sign of us returning to the office any time soon. If they do decide to return to the office then I will look for another London based job but with remote working.
 
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