This Brexit stuff just gets stranger

The Brexit dividend promised by the pro brexit gobshytes seems to be going in the wrong direction with multiple companies from the UK moving some or all operations to EU countries 👎
 
Adi_Dem said:
No there weren't. 5 years later and I am still yet to read or head a single argument that holds up under the slightest scrutiny.
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I think you're missing the people from places like Middlesbrough who were conned into thinking their economic woes were to do with the EU and not the choices of our own governments over many years.

Ironically with some of those places being the biggest benefactors of EU funding.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you
 
Emmersons_BrazillianDong said:
I think you're missing the people from places like Middlesbrough who were conned into thinking their economic woes were to do with the EU and not the choices of our own governments over many years.

Ironically with some of those places being the biggest benefactors of EU funding.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you
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I’m not missing that at all.
 
The fishing industry is suffering, as are seafood farmers. As a bunch of islands in the North Atlantic we have an abundance of seafood that until recently, fed a healthy export market to countries around Europe. At home our seafood culture seems to be limited on the whole to haddock or cod with chips. Is it beyond our means to create a greater demand at home, perhaps involving TV chefs like Oliver and Ramsey and making it rewarding for the hospitality industry to become involved?
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
The fishing industry is suffering, as are seafood farmers. As a bunch of islands in the North Atlantic we have an abundance of seafood that until recently, fed a healthy export market to countries around Europe. At home our seafood culture seems to be limited on the whole to haddock or cod with chips. Is it beyond our means to create a greater demand at home, perhaps involving TV chefs like Oliver and Ramsey and making it rewarding for the hospitality industry to become involved?
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Many other industries are suffering. Lots of people are losing their jobs. No matter how low the fish prices go, if you are on UC you cannot afford to buy seafood. You make a good point BBG but benefits don't even cover the basics.
 
Trug said:
Many other industries are suffering. Lots of people are losing their jobs. No matter how low the fish prices go, if you are on UC you cannot afford to buy seafood. You make a good point BBG but benefits don't even cover the basics.
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I think fish has always been seen as expensive in the U.K., and looking at how much fish and chips with curry sauce costs these days you can see why.
 
Centralscrutinizer said:
The fishing industry is suffering, as are seafood farmers. As a bunch of islands in the North Atlantic we have an abundance of seafood that until recently, fed a healthy export market to countries around Europe. At home our seafood culture seems to be limited on the whole to haddock or cod with chips. Is it beyond our means to create a greater demand at home, perhaps involving TV chefs like Oliver and Ramsey and making it rewarding for the hospitality industry to become involved?
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One of the possible benefits, in fact the main potential benefit, is that the economy might do some serious rebalancing, such is the disruption of Brexit.

There will be a lot of pain and of course it will take such a long time a whole generation will most likely be stuffed, but there is a lot wrong with our economy. It’s mainly the inequality of course and I can’t see how Brexit reduces the wealth of the super rich and hedge funds - Brexit has made them substantially richer so far - while raising the income of the worst off and squeezed middle, but that might not be achievable without some kind of seismic shock to the economy. I suspect this is an unarticulated Hail Mary thought somewhere at the back of the minds of a lot of Leave voters. A sort of ‘something needs to change’ combined with ‘how can it be worse than now’ reasoning.

Well, it can certainly get worse (and has). That was the logical reasoning flaw, not to mention the poor appreciation of the factors affecting probability.
 
Lefty said:
One of the possible benefits, in fact the main potential benefit, is that the economy might do some serious rebalancing, such is the disruption of Brexit.

There will be a lot of pain and of course it will take such a long time a whole generation will most likely be stuffed, but there is a lot wrong with our economy. It’s mainly the inequality of course and I can’t see how Brexit reduces the wealth of the super rich and hedge funds - Brexit has made them substantially richer so far - while raising the income of the worst off and squeezed middle, but that might not be achievable without some kind of seismic shock to the economy. I suspect this is an unarticulated Hail Mary thought somewhere at the back of the minds of a lot of Leave voters. A sort of ‘something needs to change’ combined with ‘how can it be worse than now’ reasoning.

Well, it can certainly get worse (and has). That was the logical reasoning flaw, not to mention the poor appreciation of the factors affecting probability.
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A glitch on the forum. It quoted me by accident 😯
 
dooderooni said:
I always remember that young lass on Gogglebox who said she didn't know enough about the consequences to make an informed decision about the vote.
Sadly, it is now becoming blatantly obvious that a large number of people who voted leave are only just thinking about the consequences.
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This is how I felt at the time. The opinions and arguments were so strong that I remember feeling self-conscious that I did not have a strong opinion either way. Looking back now, I can see that a lot of the opinions I heard were either watered down guff or taken from somewhere else. I certainly wasn't educated by the opinions or by those Brexit guides we got through the post. It's true that I could have tried more to educate myself by doing my own research. I do feel however that it takes a level of intelligence to take a step back and say 'I don't know enough about the complexities of this so I'm going to reserve my opinion/judgment.' I didn't hear a lot of that at the time. It seemed everyone had a strong feeling one way or the other. In the end I voted to remain which seems right now, but I could just as easily be regretting it. You felt compelled to vote for this 'once in a lifetime' decision, but this should have never being presented to the public as a simple 'Stay' or 'Remain' choice. It was far to complex for that.
 
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BlindBoyGrunt said:
At home our seafood culture seems to be limited on the whole to haddock or cod with chips.
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It would take decades to re-adjust people to start to eat other foods, we have a fast food culture lifestyle, that comes with allowing US capitalism to invade our shores.
 
BoroMart said:
It would take decades to re-adjust people to start to eat other foods, we have a fast food culture lifestyle, that comes with allowing US capitalism to invade our shores.
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Riding past the Parkway earlier the queue for the McDonalds drive through was depressingly long 😩
 
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