This summer we’ll find out what club we are

[Frozen Horse]

I think it's important to note that Brentford never sell all their best players in one go: one or two at most.

Meanwhile, I'm also cautious about aping the approach someone else has taken. Brentford are successful at the moment; 5 years ago everyone was asking how Southampton kept selling their best player each year while remaining a top half club. Where are they now? No one keeps doing that forever, and Brentford have not found a magic bullet. I'm pleased for them, but their turn will come too.

 

[Rofesleg]

Brentfords model was always have a striker that scored loads then sell them on for a massive fee, buy an unoroven gem and do it all again until they get promoted!

Yes, this is their (colour coded) transfer history prior to promotion:

16/17 - Sold Hogan 10m
17/18 - Sold -----------; Bought Watkins 7m, Maupay 2m
18/19 - Sold Mepham 13m; Bought Benrahma 3m
19/20 - Sold Maupay 20m; Bought Mbeumo 6.5m
20/21 - Sold Watkins 30m, Benrahma 23m; Bought Toney 5.6m

Mepham came through their academy.
Hogan was bought for 1m in 2014.
Mbeumo & Toney are still there.

 

[Rofesleg]

I think it's important to note that Brentford never sell all their best players in one go: one or two at most.

Meanwhile, I'm also cautious about aping the approach someone else has taken. Brentford are successful at the moment; 5 years ago everyone was asking how Southampton kept selling their best player each year while remaining a top half club. Where are they now? No one keeps doing that forever, and Brentford have not found a magic bullet. I'm pleased for them, but their turn will come too.

Selling Watkins & Benrahma and buying Toney in the same season was a massive gamble that paid off.
It could have gone the other way.

 

[Frozen Horse]

Selling Watkins & Benrahma and buying Toney in the same season was a massive gamble that paid off.
It could have gone the other way.

Agreed. While we'd all like to impersonate the gamblers whose gambles pay off, they're a lot easier to pick with hindsight.

 

[Kramer]

It is far from being about just replacing the 6 loanees and 3 contracted players from the squad

who are the 3 contracted players Col? Fisher, Daniels, ?

 

[coluka]

who are the 3 contracted players Col? Fisher, Daniels, ?

Walker, Daniels, Fisher

 

[Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret]

There is always a price where selling is good business. It’s good business for us if we can sell any player for more than we would be prepared to pay for him if we didn’t have him.

No there isn't. Any price we get for chuba will not reflect his value to us because of his contract situation. £15 million is not a good substitute for losing 30 goals next season. Those 30 goals could well get us to the premier League and hundreds of millions. We will be unable to replace those goals with any money brought in.

There is a limit to what money can do in the championship. Spending money down here generally gets you players not good enough for the premier League IE assombalonga, or mercenaries like braithwaite.

Good business is keeping the 30 goals in the team. The reward of 100s of millions vs the risk of losing him for free. That's a decent bet.

The only way it becomes good business is if he wants to leave, which I imagine he will do.

 

[coluka]

No there isn't. Any price we get for chuba will not reflect his value to us because of his contract situation. £15 million is not a good substitute for losing 30 goals next season. Those 30 goals could well get us to the premier League and hundreds of millions. We will be unable to replace those goals with any money brought in.

There is a limit to what money can do in the championship. Spending money down here generally gets you players not good enough for the premier League IE assombalonga, or mercenaries like braithwaite.

Good business is keeping the 30 goals in the team. The reward of 100s of millions vs the risk of losing him for free. That's a decent bet.

The only way it becomes good business is if he wants to leave, which I imagine he will do.

Well, keeping Chuba does not guarantee you 29 goals from him this coming season, it doesn’t guarantee you he will hit double figures In truth.

The club will not want to lose him on a free under any circumstances. I personally hope he stays through signing a new contract, The club and his silence is worrying though. The bet as you call it, is high stakes and is dependent on needing a huge injection of new players, somewhere between 10-15 I’d suggest. We failed with a good squad this season, many of whom wont return or will cost big money if they did, money we don’t currently have i’d suggest. This bet offers no chance if we can’t get the rest of the team sorted and firing even better, with better players. Chuba is currently a one season wonder, keeping him and not going up and losing his potential value is a threat that the club can’t afford to take imho.

 

[Davey_C]

Yes, this is their (colour coded) transfer history prior to promotion:

16/17 - Sold Hogan 10m
17/18 - Sold -----------; Bought Watkins 7m, Maupay 2m
18/19 - Sold Mepham 13m; Bought Benrahma 3m
19/20 - Sold Maupay 20m; Bought Mbeumo 6.5m
20/21 - Sold Watkins 30m, Benrahma 23m; Bought Toney 5.6m

Mepham came through their academy.
Hogan was bought for 1m in 2014.
Mbeumo & Toney are still there.

£12 Konza to Villa too and a few £3m+ others. They have bought a few players for sizable fees who they havent made a profit on, but those stats speak for themselves

 

[UgoAfro]

Brentford's model involves having and value for each player that they will sell at (based on their importance, contract length, likelihood that they will keep improving and be worth more to them in the future) and having cheaper replacements scouted ready the buy. It will all depend on whether other clubs reach that value for the likes of Akpom and Hackney and if we do whether Boro think they can replace them with someone at least as effective for a lower price. The only complicating factor is the player themselves (or their agent) as they can almost force through a move for someone the club want to keep and don't have a replacement lined up for.

 

[Davey_C]

The only complicating factor is the player themselves (or their agent) as they can almost force through a move for someone the club want to keep and don't have a replacement lined up for.

Like Tav .. Well he actually wanted to move on didn't he?

 

[Rofesleg]

£12 Konza to Villa too and a few £3m+ others. They have bought a few players for sizable fees who they havent made a profit on, but those stats speak for themselves

Yeah, I was looking at strikers really.

Apart from Mepham who sneaked in there

 

[Colgates_shaving_foam]

Well, keeping Chuba does not guarantee you 29 goals from him this coming season, it doesn’t guarantee you he will hit double figures In truth.

The club will not want to lose him on a free under any circumstances. I personally hope he stays through signing a new contract, The club and his silence is worrying though. The bet as you call it, is high stakes and is dependent on needing a huge injection of new players, somewhere between 10-15 I’d suggest. We failed with a good squad this season, many of whom wont return or will cost big money if they did, money we don’t currently have i’d suggest. This bet offers no chance if we can’t get the rest of the team sorted and firing even better, with better players. Chuba is currently a one season wonder, keeping him and not going up and losing his potential value is a threat that the club can’t afford to take imho.

My view is that we didn't 'fail' with the squad we had this season, the squad we had would have finished second if Carrick had managed it all season. For this reason. We maybe need to only ideally keep the players or replace like for like, we do not necessarily need to improve what we finished with.

 

[Mayor Goldie Wilson]

My view is that we didn't 'fail' with the squad we had this season, the squad we had would have finished second if Carrick had managed it all season. For this reason. We maybe need to only ideally keep the players or replace like for like, we do not necessarily need to improve what we finished with.

We most certainly do need to improve what we finished with. We could still be playing now against Coventry and still wouldn't have scored. We are crying out for more creativity in the wide areas, a different profile of striker to mix things up, and a nasty bar steward in midfield

 

[BoroMart]

If we are going the Brentford model then our best players will be sold. Fry Hackney and akpom and we’ll look to reinvest

If we are the Karnaka model we will keep hold and gamble.

I think based on last summer we are more aligned to the first

Good points.

Fry 8m, Hackney 15m, Akpom 20m. 43m + whatever we have in the pot left from last season where we only spent about 7.5m from about 30m incoming.

Would we prefer to have those players, or, have 50m for carrick to invest?

 

[BoroMart]

My view is that we didn't 'fail' with the squad we had this season, the squad we had would have finished second if Carrick had managed it all season. For this reason. We maybe need to only ideally keep the players or replace like for like, we do not necessarily need to improve what we finished with.

We didn't fail under any circumstances, there were at least 5 teams with squads of greater value than ours. Sheff Utd, Burnley, Norwich, Watford, West Brom. We slightly over achieved (by 2 places) with the tools at our disposal. Of course other teams over acheived by more than us, but that's by the by.

 

[BoroMart]

Yes, this is their (colour coded) transfer history prior to promotion:

16/17 - Sold Hogan 10m
17/18 - Sold -----------; Bought Watkins 7m, Maupay 2m
18/19 - Sold Mepham 13m; Bought Benrahma 3m
19/20 - Sold Maupay 20m; Bought Mbeumo 6.5m
20/21 - Sold Watkins 30m, Benrahma 23m; Bought Toney 5.6m

Mepham came through their academy.
Hogan was bought for 1m in 2014.
Mbeumo & Toney are still there.

Brilliant to make 40m profit on two of your best players, buy a replacement for just 5.6m and get promoted. That's some moneyballing.

I'd add that the big money is on selling attacking players. Goal scorers and creators will always have higher value than defenders. We haven't set up to showcase attackers in recent years, and that has hit our balance sheet when it comes to selling. It's why the Carrick philosophy makes commercial sense as much as footballing sense.

 

[Bruce]

We didn't fail under any circumstances, there were at least 5 teams with squads of greater value than ours. Sheff Utd, Burnley, Norwich, Watford, West Brom. We slightly over achieved (by 2 places) with the tools at our disposal. Of course other teams over acheived by more than us, but that's by the by.

We didn't fail but we do need to do better next season. At the start of the season we were trying to assemble a team that would improve on the 7th placed finish of the season before. We succeeded, though we got there by the scenic route. Next season we need to improve again. It won't be easy but we do at least seem to be unified as a club and that counts for a lot.

 

[BoroMart]

We most certainly do need to improve what we finished with. We could still be playing now against Coventry and still wouldn't have scored. We are crying out for more creativity in the wide areas, a different profile of striker to mix things up, and a nasty bar steward in midfield

It was clear that Jones isn't at the right level, Crooks doesn't fit this style, and we lacked other options, ball carriers in those wide positions. It's why Aaron Ramsey made such a difference, he's a top class ball carrier, we lacked that in the play offs.

 

[Humpty]

Not convinced Fry is someone we will sell.

His injury record will put off suitors and he doesn’t get in any current premier league side, he’s best off where he is. Probably end up being a sub for us if we can sign a decent centre back to partner Lenihan.

Hackney will be going no where. Not worried about that in the slightest.

Akpom will generate the best fee and he’s only got a year left, if he isn’t willing to sign a new deal then the club may see fit that the best option is to sell. Couldn’t blame them if they decide to do that.

Think other sales could be from the likes of Crooks, McNair, Bola and Dijksteel but don’t see much money generated there.

I think the fact we never spent too much of the money from Tav and Spence will ensure we at least keep Hayden Hackney. He needs a full season at this level anyway.

What world are you living in?