ForssAwakens
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Turning the Labour Party into the Conservative party?
Tories back in poll lead, didn't take long ...
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Otto42
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These threads always turn into left of centre voters (the majority of this board) attacking each other......As Duncan Bannatyne used to say......'am ooot'
Jonny Ingbar
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I'm sorry but Labour only tends to gain any traction with a moderate left approach. Any thoughts of a hard left gaining power is a pipe-dream, whether we agree with it or not.
newyddion
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Corbyn was moderate left.. the public don’t want what the PLP are ramming down our throats. It only becomes acceptable as an alternative to Boris Johnson and his chums playing soggy biscuit with the country.
newyddion
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Should I say the Liberal Democrat Party? or perhaps ‘the independent group for change’?
Labour stuck a chord and were gaining huge support, the front stabbing and back stabbing certainly hindered the parties chances in 2017 and then 2019 had MPs vowing to campaign against the wishes of their own constituents!
Brexit was the magic bullet that killed the Labour Party last time round and that should not have been the case. A lifelong critic of the European Union vs an absolute shambles of a man who had previously been an ardent supporter of the EU (not to mention being fired from any job he’d been gifted through comments relating to anti Semititism and racism)
festa5
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Johnson an ardent supporter of the EU? You're joking right?
He's flip flopped on the issue his entire life depending on what's best for him. As with his views on pretty much any other issue.
newyddion
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Jonny Ingbar
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Not in the view of the electorate he wasn't.
newyddion
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Because of right wing Labour MPs and a right wing media.
BoroMart
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absolutely agree, and I would take a soft left over a moderate or hard right every day of the week
BoroMart
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who are these right wing labour MPs you speak of? and in what way are they right wing?
BoroMart
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In real terms he was, his policies were not anywhere near what is classically socialism
festa5
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Even then, only when it suited him. Or did I imagine (for example) his time as a journalist basically making **** up about the EU in order to criticise it?
Hardly the actions of an ardent supporter of the EU.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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There's plenty in the electorate now claiming that Starmer is too far to the left. It's how propaganda works.
Otto42
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Johnson's an opportunist, he says and does whatever works best for him. In reality this government is a Johnson government rather than a Tory government. Hopefully he's now running out of opportunities as he's upset both left and right of his party
newyddion
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WeeGord
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Even your own graph shows Starmer as centre right, not right wing.Starmer, Philips, Streeting, Hodge..
Andy_W
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I'm definitely now starting to think that Labour need BJ to stay, to improve their chances of winning/ getting a coalition. If I was a Labour strategist I think I would think about taking the foot off the gas a little now, no point shooting a guy when he's already dead. Unless they think they can pummel them down to an unrecoverable level, which certainly looks possible.
But I think Tory tactics are probably going to mean a leadership change in the run up to the GE. I think this change will come after we're over Omicron (which is probably going to be the end of Covid for us) and heading into summer. My bet is they've discussed it with BJ already, and he gets a hefty pay off to continue to take the hit (most of his own doing), until they get near their perceived lowest level of support, then he goes then. Then they go for the "new manager bounce" at the time of the better mood in the UK (summer). Then they'll start on the gravy train of false promises and lies with the new guy.
It will give them 2 years to build up the name for the new guy and they will blame all their failings on BJ (and Corby/ Starmer of course).
But I think Tory tactics are probably going to mean a leadership change in the run up to the GE. I think this change will come after we're over Omicron (which is probably going to be the end of Covid for us) and heading into summer. My bet is they've discussed it with BJ already, and he gets a hefty pay off to continue to take the hit (most of his own doing), until they get near their perceived lowest level of support, then he goes then. Then they go for the "new manager bounce" at the time of the better mood in the UK (summer). Then they'll start on the gravy train of false promises and lies with the new guy.
It will give them 2 years to build up the name for the new guy and they will blame all their failings on BJ (and Corby/ Starmer of course).