Variant of concern in South Africa

Laughing said:
I find it interesting that for decades malaria has been killing 4 times the number of Africans every year than covid.

I don't recall too many dissenting voices on here calling for the eradication of malaria. Some lethal diseases, it seems, are acceptable.

400k people in sub saharan Africa die directly from malaria every year, mostly children. The associated deaths are more than double that.
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Are you taking the ****?

Who on here has said that we shouldn't try and eradicate malaria?

There are constant efforts to try and do just that.

Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.
 
GazC_MFC said:
Can some one present me some evidence that vaccination slows down transmission.
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Statistics

If you have an "Efficacy" in the region of 75% that means that only 25 out of 100 vaccinated people who are in contact with an infected person would catch it. Unvaccinated people are much more likely to contract COVID through contact with an infected person. So perhaps only a 50/50 chance but that still means that you have 50 further infections to deal with. Additionally to that, the 25 vaccinated people are very unlikely to need hospital treatment.

You have to then take these numbers and put them into the whole population and you can see that vaccination DRAMATICALLY reduces transmission. The scare stories highlight that fact that a vaccinated person with COVID is still infectious. This is true in the micro scale in the macro scale the effect is miniscule.
 
Laughing said:
I find it interesting that for decades malaria has been killing 4 times the number of Africans every year than covid.
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Like the well informed smartass you seem to think you are I'm sure you will be aware of the production of the first Malaria vaccine this year? Odd that you don't mention it here and the clamour from people in Africa to have their children vaccinated even though the efficacy is much lower than COVID vaccines.
 
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GazC_MFC said:
Can some one present me some evidence that vaccination slows down transmission.

from limited info I’ve seen, you still get it and still pass it on. I suppose if it stop you going to hospital it stops more people going there where it’s going to spread more easily.
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Case rates are exceptionally high in 0-20's, which are the least vaccinated groups, there's quite a lot of spill over into their parents. Vaccines obviously don't stop transmission, neither does previous infection, but certainly slows transmission significantly. The level of vaccine coverage seems to matter a lot, as the boosters have had a massive effect on the oldies.
Just got to be careful what you're comparing though, ie don't compare inactive unvaccinated, with active vaccinated etc, schools activity comes in sharp waves, the rest comes with what protection measures we have, seasonality, boosters etc.

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Case rates are higher in countries with low vaccine uptake, compared to those with high uptake, with similar levels of activity/ controls and similar locations. i.e the lower vax countries in the EU are getting hit harder than the higher vaxed. We've always been high as we've had next to no controls and started vax earlier. Israel was even earlier than us, and their third wave has been and gone.
 
TeaCider said:
Are you taking the ****?

Who on here has said that we shouldn't try and eradicate malaria?

There are constant efforts to try and do just that.

Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.
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Arguing for the sake of it? That's interesting, you are the one arguing, not me tc.
 
Muttley said:
Like the well informed smartass you seem to think you are I'm sure you will be aware of the production of the first Malaria vaccine this year? Odd that you don't mention it here and the clamour from people in Africa to have their children vaccinated even though the efficacy is much lower than COVID vaccines.
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Smartass... OK. You don't think it's relevant to a conversation about living with a deadly disease? Ok. I do.

You might want to reign back on the insults, if makes you sound a little childish.
 
GazC_MFC said:
Can some one present me some evidence that vaccination slows down transmission.
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This probably shows it better, but it would show even better if there wasn't as much spill over/ mixing between the vaxed/ unvaxed, and if the vaccines did not need boosting to maintain top protection.

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For some reason the 85+ don't get vaccinated as much as the 70-85, not sure why, but the case rates and uptake for the over 85's aren't as well known, as there's much less of them, effectively ONS or whatever don't know how many over 85's we have, and can only estimate it with lesser accuracy. The over 85's are also more likely to be in care homes too, and their immune systems not as strong. This basically explains why the graph dips, then grows, to a limited degree.

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ChrisTheRed said:
We could all die any day from anything but we don't worry about that.

I really have little interest in spending the next 10 years or more of my life dealing with new variant and getting more and more jabs.

To suggest we just keep locking down is nothing short of ridiculous. Let's just cancel life.
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Why the huge objection to more jabs? It’s a 20 minute job, it’s hardly going to inconvenience us if we need another one every year is it?
 
Laughing said:
Arguing for the sake of it? That's interesting, you are the one arguing, not me tc.
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You are arguing for the sake of it.

Pretending that people have been against trying to eradicate malaria because of the fact that they're not creating threads calling for malaria to be eradicated.

There are constant efforts to try and eradicate it, but it's also a disease that is limited to tropical regions.
The UK is not a tropical region, malaria is not a problem here.

But to pretend your argument isn't stupid, Malaria killed an estimated 800,000 people worldwide between 2018 and 2019.

In the 2 year period we've had Covid, 5.2m have died from it officially.
The real number will be far, far higher.
Even with Russia alone, their official death toll is 270,000, but their own politicians have admitted that the figure is closer to 800,000.
That's in Russia, which whilst massively corrupt is a functioning, fairly wealthy state with an adequate health care system.
The poorer nations of the world where the infrastructure isn't there likely haven't even recorded most of their deaths.

Then you have countries like China where they're outright lying about how many deaths they've had.

Covid is a global problem impacting every single country in the world, and it's a highly infectious and highly contagious disease.

Malaria is a horrible disease, but it's not contagious, and it's not a problem outside of the tropical belt.
Even with that, billions has been spent trying to treat those infected with it and to try and eradicate it.
 
JM14 said:
Why the huge objection to more jabs? It’s a 20 minute job, it’s hardly going to inconvenience us if we need another one every year is it?
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Because it's becoming quite clear that we're going to be forever jabbing ourselves and I have no interest in that.

I am always ill post jab and it's the reason I no longer get the flu jab.

I will do what is best for me now.
 
Laughing said:
I find it interesting that for decades malaria has been killing 4 times the number of Africans every year than covid.

I don't recall too many dissenting voices on here calling for the eradication of malaria. Some lethal diseases, it seems, are acceptable.
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I don't think that is true at all. Children in Need for example have repeatedly highlighted the issue and paid for malaria nets in africa. People on here and in the real world have discussed that. Of course people want it eradicated.
 
TeaCider said:
In the 2 year period we've had Covid, 5.2m have died from it officially.
The real number will be far, far higher.
Even with Russia alone, their official death toll is 270,000, but their own politicians have admitted that the figure is closer to 800,000.
That's in Russia, which whilst massively corrupt is a functioning, fairly wealthy state with an adequate health care system.
The poorer nations of the world where the infrastructure isn't there likely haven't even recorded most of their deaths.

Then you have countries like China where they're outright lying about how many deaths they've had.

Covid is a global problem impacting every single country in the world, and it's a highly infectious and highly contagious disease.

Malaria is a horrible disease, but it's not contagious, and it's not a problem outside of the tropical belt.
Even with that, billions has been spent trying to treat those infected with it and to try and eradicate it.
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Don't forget India, they were probably 10x their reported numbers back in April.

They effectively stopped counting, and were not even counting the lesser known areas, with next to no healthcare, and all of it was overwhelmed. Brazil also had an absolute nightmare.

A lot of people seem to think the "real" covid number is closer to 25m.

We've reported fairly accurately (10% undercount maybe), and not overwhelmed healthcare (albeit we absolutely battered it), but it shows our IFR as quite high (pre vaccines). Some countries reported a far lower IFR than us, with much, much worse and overwhelmed healthcare, this is effectively impossible.
 
TeaCider said:
You are arguing for the sake of it.

Pretending that people have been against trying to eradicate malaria because of the fact that they're not creating threads calling for malaria to be eradicated.

There are constant efforts to try and eradicate it, but it's also a disease that is limited to tropical regions.
The UK is not a tropical region, malaria is not a problem here.

But to pretend your argument isn't stupid, Malaria killed an estimated 800,000 people worldwide between 2018 and 2019.

In the 2 year period we've had Covid, 5.2m have died from it officially.
The real number will be far, far higher.
Even with Russia alone, their official death toll is 270,000, but their own politicians have admitted that the figure is closer to 800,000.
That's in Russia, which whilst massively corrupt is a functioning, fairly wealthy state with an adequate health care system.
The poorer nations of the world where the infrastructure isn't there likely haven't even recorded most of their deaths.

Then you have countries like China where they're outright lying about how many deaths they've had.

Covid is a global problem impacting every single country in the world, and it's a highly infectious and highly contagious disease.

Malaria is a horrible disease, but it's not contagious, and it's not a problem outside of the tropical belt.
Even with that, billions has been spent trying to treat those infected with it and to try and eradicate it.
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What are you on about?

I simply made a comparison that is relevant, whether you like it or not. It is relevant because anyone who says we need to learn to live with covid is shot down with comments like "I would rather lock down than die". We expect sub Saharan Africa to live with malaria, that is an easy disease to control.

Your comparison between deaths is nonsense as malaria effects only a small portion of the globe and is much deadlier than covid. A child in africa dies every 2 seconds from malaria, yet we expect them to "live with it".

If the comparison makes you feel uncomfortable, then good, it should.
 
ChrisTheRed said:
Because it's becoming quite clear that we're going to be forever jabbing ourselves and I have no interest in that.

I am always ill post jab and it's the reason I no longer get the flu jab.

I will do what is best for me now.
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Then don’t get it, no one is forcing you
 
BoroMart said:
I don't think that is true at all. Children in Need for example have repeatedly highlighted the issue and paid for malaria nets in africa. People on here and in the real world have discussed that. Of course people want it eradicated.
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Well thats OK then. The WHO in the 80's had a go at eradicating malaria, a simple thing to do, they reduced it massively and stopped. They stopped because they ran out of money and no one was prepared to cough up the additional funding. The overall funding was a fraction of the 37 billion we alone have spent on T&T in the last 12 months.

We haven't done anything worthwhile since the 80's.
 
GazC_MFC said:
Can some one present me some evidence that vaccination slows down transmission.

from limited info I’ve seen, you still get it and still pass it on. I suppose if it stop you going to hospital it stops more people going there where it’s going to spread more easily.
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There is a difference between stops transmission, and completely stops transmission

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