Very surprised at the lack of boro support on BBC comments ….

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Johnnyweetabix

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Just reading the comments on the BBC , really surprised just how comments are painting us as the bad guys . Very few apart from boro fans defending our position seem to think we should be reinstated .

Most seem should be Hull automatically promoted . Don’t think we will be that popular if we win….. ahhh well

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Spygate: Middlesbrough boss Kim Hellberg happy to have Championship play-off Wembley chance

Kim Hellberg reflects on a whirlwind of emotions on Middlesbrough's reinstatement for the Championship play-offs following Southampton's expulsion.
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It’s proper weird. If Southampton had been thrown out before our games or if we’d been awarded the first leg 3-0, I don’t think anyone would be complaining. Wotcha gonna do 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
Because most football fans don't think things through properly, they just go off feels.

I wouldn't worry about it.

Most people won't get further in their thought process than "Middlesbrough lost, so it's unfair", they won't be thinking that our opponent cheated so the result was compromised.

I was the same with the Swindon v Luton case earlier in the season, I didn't like that Luton had advanced despite being beaten, but logically it's the only option as their opponent had broken the rules.
 
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Not my experience.

Id say 9 out of every 10 posts feel the punishment was fair and just.

There are a few saying that, and that we shouldn't be in the final as we already lost.

I don't feel we lost

We teach 5 year olds that if you win by cheating, you haven't really won.

By the same token, if you lose through being cheated, you haven't really lost.

All we asked for was a level playing field, and Southampton denied us this.
 
It's bizarre that people don't think we deserve reinstating.

Southampton admitted to cheating by carrying out surveillance on us prior to our first leg. That literally put us at a disadvantage. Who's to say we wouldn't have won without them doing that.
 
Everyone I've talked to completely agree with Southampton being kicked out. All my Geordie mates were hoping Boro would go to Wembley on not them.

BBC Sport comments is like Social Media in general. Not a true reflection and those commenting often think they can be controversial hiding behind a username.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
Mate you have to stop reading the articles with public comments. The same with umpteen soc media sites it seems. There are a load of angry ranting people about who have nothing better to do but complain and cry. Dont let it spoil your day tomorrow. It really doesnt matter what they think does it.
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Absolutely right the other thing with social media is that because political parties use it constantly in a very subtle and careful way is that individuals think they can somehow go online, give their firm unconsidered opinion on something they, for some reason, don’t like and that this will somehow lead to a change in the outcome reached through a proper legal expert due process.

They are in cuckoo land.
 
The logic doesn't work. Southampton cheated against us and Hull are the ones who should benefit? How is that any fairer?

It's this myth that we "lost the match fair and square" pushed by thicko ex players who can't think wider than the most basic logic.

Whether there was a tactical advantage is impossible to say. Did it have a psychological effect? Of course it did. I've even seen former players, Onuoha I think, argue it was to our advantage because it'd fire us up. How the **** do you know that? Different people respond differently to things. And look at the Southampton players reaction, it certainly fired them up too.

And then to top it all off, and it's gone a bit under the radar, we received an apology from PGMOL for the ref being ****. If the ref had done his job we'd have had two penalties and their equaliser would have been ruled out. That's not us saying it, it's the boss of referees.

I have no qualms about being in the final. They cheated before the first leg with an unknown impact and the ref absolutely shafted us in the second leg. **** em. About time we actually got a bit of justice.
 
TeaCider said:
Because most football fans don't think things through properly, they just go off feels.

I wouldn't worry about it.

Most people won't get further in their thought process than "Middlesbrough lost, so it's unfair", they won't be thinking that our opponent cheated so the result was compromised.

I was the same with the Swindon v Luton case earlier in the season, I didn't like that Luton had advanced despite being beaten, but logically it's the only option as their opponent had broken the rules.
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The principle that in a knockout competition, a team that wins but is then found to have broken the rules is expelled, and the team that lost advances in their place, is a well-established precedent with a 140 year history behind it.

It goes all the way back to Rossendale FC vs Irwell Springs in the 1883-84 FA Cup.

Rossendale won 6-2 in a 1st round match, but were expelled for breaking the rules (by using professional players). Irwell Springs were reinstated into the tournament, allowing them to progress to the next round.

https://www.rsssf.org/tablese/engcup1884.html

This has been the default procedure in all knockout competitions, not only in this country but all around the world, ever since.

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I did wonder what I’d feel if it wasn’t us that this was happening too, I think probably would expect the semi final team in the position we’re in to through.
Stockton last season won their play off semi but were then expelled for fielding and ineligible player and the team they beat went through. So that was the most recent example of someone breaking the rules ina play off that came to mind to me.
 
The weird thing is, it’s what always happens in football. At least in this country. Some other sports do it differently. But in football in this country if you win in a knockout match in circumstances where as a result of a rule breach you have gained an unquantifiable potential sporting advantage, two things happen as a matter of course. You get thrown out, and your defeated opponent advances instead. It happens in competitions every year including, as pointed out, the EFL trophy this year. It happened to Stockton Town this time last year in the playoffs. It’s the most routine and predictable aspect of the entire process. It’s bizarre that it’s become the only controversial bit.
 
Liamo said:
The principle that in a knockout competition, a team that wins but is then found to have broken the rules is expelled, and the team that lost advances in their place, is a well-established precedent with a 140 year history behind it.

It goes all the way back to Rossendale FC vs Irwell Springs in the1883-84 FA Cup.

Rossendale won 6-2 in a 1st round match, but were expelled for breaking the rules (by using professional players). Irwell Springs were reinstated into the tournament, allowing them to progress to the next round.

https://www.rsssf.org/tablese/engcup1884.html

This has been the default procedure in all knockout competitions, not only in this country but all around the world, ever since.
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Good knowledge. Don’t be letting the Southampton board see that. They’ll be after getting us expelled for playing professionals. Because according to their twisted logic, the fact that the rules have changed since should make no difference.
 
Never let the facts get in the way of social media comments and the ‘it’s what everybody thinks’ brigade…..yeah well everyone is wrong! 😉
 
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