Vieira and Everton fan

It won't stop until the clubs are hit really hard. Fans invade pitch and automatic loss of that game and automatic relegation to the next level would do it.
I mean, when you have people like Lampard saying this it's never going to stop unless they crack down on the clubs.
No Frank, the problem is you can't predict who's going to behave and who's going to be a complete chod...

(from Associated Press).
Lampard defended Everton fans spilling onto the field.“It was pure elation of fans who have come on the pitch after avoiding relegation,” he said. “If it is done in the right way let them stay on the pitch, let them have their moment. As long as they behave, no problem.”
What's to stop a group of mates buying a shirt going in the opposition end and running onto the pitch to "win" the game for their team?
 
As Pep Guardiola said earlier 'There is alcohol and ... ' ... I am sure cocaine crossed his mind but stopped in time before he got himself into bother haha

Only just watched footage of the fan goading Vieira and I dread to think of what he must have said to have made Patrick lash out like that. Really nasty scenes. I would bet my life on whoever that fan was, went below the belt, and abused him racially in a sick way.

Why would you want to get your club into so much sh1te and ruin it for others after such a brilliant result? Can guarantee whoever the offender was, he was full of the awld nosebag to the eyeballs and maybe 6 or so pints of watered down Carling he couldn't handle. Throw him out forever, no excuses, unfortunately.

The Billy Sharp footage is really disturbing, though. Christ, he could have been killed. Once it's got that far, you know things are going to really get serious now with regards to player safety and the consequences for whichever club it is who's fans are involved in awful scenes like this in the future. I'd imagine that fan will be looking at a nasty fine and significant prison time.

It really is only a matter of time before something far worse than that happens unless something is done now to lessen the chances, but as I say .. there's always going to be one or two regardless of what new rules are brought in who are going to ruin it for the vast majority. No matter the magnitude of the game or what is to play for, what rests on it .. there is always going to be one.

I just hope no player ever gets seriously hurt and if I was a pro now playing at a big club I'd be dreading it more by the day, at least when it comes to going to certain grounds of which I will not name.
 
Seriously, football grounds must be some of the most heavily CCTV’ed places in the country. Plus everything on the pitch is recorded in crystal clear 4K with tens of broadcast cameras. With season tickets, it’s a job but more than possible to identify every single person, trace them to their seat, and ban them for however long.

I understand why they do it - 200 police versus 2000 fans, is never going to end well - but I don’t agree with de-escalatory policing in general. It’s basically saying you’d be 100% arrested if you did this on your own, but if there’s a thousand of you, it’s fine because we can’t control it.

If they batoned, arrested and significantly fined the first 100 people on the pitch, I’m not sure the other thousand would join in. Or, cordon it off and arrest people one by one after. Just because there’s loads of people committing the same crime shouldn’t give you carte blanche to join in, it’s not fair on decent people who don’t and just want to be safe at the match. I’m still raging about the scenes at Wembley for the EURO final, how there wasn’t mass arrests there I’ll never know - terrible scenes, must have been so awful for families attending for what should have been a once in a lifetime special day.

In the end everyone’s right, you start consistently punishing the clubs with severe things like point deductions and forfeits, and they’ll quickly find the money to pay for enough policing to stop it. Stewards are largely decorative.

It is so out of order and has turned nasty. I’ve hated this trend of sending your child on with his selfie camera rolling to ask for Ronaldo’s shirt. When I used to go to nearly every home & away game it was carnage in the stands and a right laugh, but going on the playing surface was always a massive no-no. I don’t know what’s changed, but policing zero tolerance it would be a great start.

Edit: or moats. Moats and a dragon would work.
 
Not sure if it's already been mentioned but the footage of the delightful woman slapping the ar5e of the Palace player whilst she and her darling chrerub of a son/grandson/devils seed scream abuse at him is also bang out of order. If he'd turned round and shoved the woman there would be hell on. Just because it's a middle aged woman it doesn't lessen the offence. No way should any spectator be allowed to touch any player/coach/ref .. if they do then out you go and don't come back.

That's depressing to watch. We all get passionate watching football, but that is just outright rage. The woman should receive a banning order without a doubt. Like others have said, what would happen if a bloke did this at a woman's match?

Possibly the saddest part of that clip is seeing the behaviour of the little boy.
 
How does it work at Wembley, in regards to stopping pitch invasions but also allows for access out of the stands and on to the pitch if there is an emergency in the stands?
 
Every copper needs to grab a 'fan', old or young, arrest them and each one gets a lifetime ban and the biggest fine possible. Any resisting arrest and they do jail. Stewards need to stop fans getting on to the pitch - all they do is stand there as fans flood on.

We need a far bigger police presence in the grounds. They need to even be in the bogs if drug taking is a problem.
 
Surely the answer will end up being the clubs having to fork out for a large police presence in the ground on match days like the old days, it will be a massive expense to the clubs.
 
How does it work at Wembley, in regards to stopping pitch invasions but also allows for access out of the stands and on to the pitch if there is an emergency in the stands?

I think that Wembley breaks up the regular groups and positioning of fans in the melée of trying to get tickets and prices a lot of fans out from the front rows. More stewarding staff as the FA will obviously be conscious that it they're hiring it out so regularly then it needs to be done to a higher standard.
 
Every copper needs to grab a 'fan', old or young, arrest them and each one gets a lifetime ban and the biggest fine possible. Any resisting arrest and they do jail. Stewards need to stop fans getting on to the pitch - all they do is stand there as fans flood on.

We need a far bigger police presence in the grounds. They need to even be in the bogs if drug taking is a problem.
Do we possess enough police numbers to do that? We’ve had over a decade of limited investment in public services and any recruitment is just to maintain current levels or attempt to get back to the numbers of 2010.
 
Every copper needs to grab a 'fan', old or young, arrest them and each one gets a lifetime ban and the biggest fine possible
The problem is that take a police officer out of service for a few minutes, at least while the idiot is processed or put in a holding area, meanwhile there will be a lack of police to control the situation.
It's needs an ongoing police activity and actual arrests going into the future, make a lot of publicity around the arrests. That's what helped diminish violence in the 90's . There will be very few 'quick solutions' to this problem
 
I would put the fences back up, at least for a couple of seasons and then review based on general crowd behaviour.

It is getting worse, no doubt about it and the safety of the players and referees is demonstrably in serious danger.

You won’t get another Hillsborough where the side fences created the lethal pens - the all seater stadiums have sorted that and you could have gates manned by stewards or police which are opened in the event of an emergency. It can be done safely in this more modern era.
 
I've only just saw that there's more footage from Everton scum. This time goading Benteke, yet he doesn't react.

These fans need hefty punishments and the club needs to get involved.
 
I would put the fences back up, at least for a couple of seasons and then review based on general crowd behaviour.

It is getting worse, no doubt about it and the safety of the players and referees is demonstrably in serious danger.

You won’t get another Hillsborough where the side fences created the lethal pens - the all seater stadiums have sorted that and you could have gates manned by stewards or police which are opened in the event of an emergency. It can be done safely in this more modern era.
I agree and with it put on hold plans for safe standing for a couple of seasons. Big public statement stating it’s because of recent fan actions and behaviour.
 
I agree and with it put on hold plans for safe standing for a couple of seasons. Big public statement stating it’s because of recent fan actions and behaviour.
Yes agree about safe standing, it’s a step backwards in any case but putting it on hold would be a statement of intent to the fans groups who have been campaigning for it but are noticeably silent about dangerous pitch invasions.
 
What's to stop a group of mates buying a shirt going in the opposition end and running onto the pitch to "win" the game for their team?
Surely that would only make sense if they were convinced ahead of time that their team was going to lose? I would say that's almost never the mindset of a team's fans going into the second leg of a playoff.

Also, even if they could get a large enough number of tickets together for the "wrong" end in a sold-out playoff game for this to work (unlikely) I don't think that a group of fans of one team would actually risk going into the opposition fans' end in such highly emotionally charged circumstances in the first place and if they did, their chances of lasting 90 (or 120 minutes, possibly followed by penalties) undetected and unscathed would be pretty low, if you ask me.

For instance, how do you think they would react when either their team or the opposition scored during the game? Would they be able to join in the celebrations when their opponents scored or keep quiet when their team did? They would have to, if they wanted to get away with their cunning plan.
 
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