Warnock very critical of the club

Davey_C said:
Monk was sacked straight after a win at Sheff Wed i seem to remember (although the circumstances were different)

Southgate was sacked after a home win over Derby with falling attendances given as one of the reasons
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Monk wasn’t sacked for on field issues though
 
pierrequiroule said:
I actually think the opposite, but each to his own.
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Well he was happy enough to throw them under the bus with his "they're recommending players who can't defend but I could tell after 2 mins watching the video they were ****" comments so would seem strange he'd lie to protect them after that.

Still, bit of a head scratcher why they wouldn't be fully supportive of him.
 
festa5 said:
Well he was happy enough to throw them under the bus with his "they're recommending players who can't defend but I could tell after 2 mins watching the video they were ****" comments so would seem strange he'd lie to protect them after that.

Still, bit of a head scratcher why they wouldn't be fully supportive of him.
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But they should still do the job they are paid for which is recommend the right players in for the club regardless of whether they like the manager or not. They've been underperforming for years and needed a kick up the backside.
 
pierrequiroule said:
But they should still do the job they are paid for which is recommend the right players in for the club regardless of whether they like the manager or not. They've been underperforming for years and needed a kick up the backside.
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I agree.

I'm dubious as to whether they've not been supporting him though. The man has an excuse for everything.
 
Just thinking about this. This thread has reached 6 pages now and all everyone is doing is talking about recruitment. Not the lack of cohesion in our play, the lack of a style or system almost 18 months into a job, the fact our second half record is absolutely appalling, the lack of interest in keeping the ball, the poor results, the appalling way last season ended, Warnock using Mendez-Laing and building his fitness for, well, nobody quite knows, the poor set pieces, the fact he wrote the season off when we were chasing the top six when there was a third of it left to play and he’d just signed four of ‘his’ players, the fact we got worse the more resources he was given, the snide comments about club staff and throwing playing personnel under the bus when he was just as culpable if not more so… the abuse of officials, the moaning, the ‘keeper smacking it up the pitch to nobody, the fact he moaned about not having a target man and then got one and left him on the bench, the midfielders at wing back while defenders sit on the bench and our wing backs play for other clubs, the countless times our ‘man-for-man’ system ended up with opposition players being unmarked and doing damage, the gaping holes through the middle of the team… how he sacked the cups off as quickly as he could, the fact some players appeared untouchable regardless of form while others were criticised…

Nobody is talking about the real reasons he’s gone. The results weren’t good enough. He had us near the playoffs and it fell apart after he made his signings. This season we’re struggling. He’s had two dozen new players in just under 18 months. He had access to all of that funding, the enviable training facilities and the ridiculously productive youth academy. He had all of that and he leaves us in 14th place, moaning about how others are at fault. It’s b*llocks, IMO. Smoke and mirrors. He’ll read this thread and love that everyone is talking about Bausor and Scott and not him. Exactly as he likes it, as he planned it, and as I’m sure we’ll hear lots more about on Talksport and the like in the coming weeks.
 
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viv_andersons_nana said:
Just thinking about this. This thread has reached 6 pages now and all everyone is doing is talking about recruitment. Not the lack of cohesion in our play, the lack of a style or system almost 18 months into a job, the fact our second half record is absolutely appalling, the lack of interest in keeping the ball, the poor results, the appalling way last season ended, Warnock using Mendez-Laing and building his fitness for, well, nobody quite knows, the poor set pieces, the fact he wrote the season off when we were chasing the top six when there was a third of it left to play and he’d just signed four of ‘his’ players, the fact we got worse the more resources he was given, the snide comments about club staff and throwing playing personnel under the bus when he was just as culpable if not more so… the abuse of officials, the moaning, the ‘keeper smacking it up the pitch to nobody, the fact he moaned about not having a target man and then got one and left him on the bench, the midfielders at wing back defenders sit on the bench and wing backs play for other clubs, the countless times our ‘man-for-man’ system ended up with opposition players being unmarked and doing damage, the gaping holes through the middle of the team… the fact some players appeared untouchable regardless of form while others were criticised…

Nobody is talking about the real reasons he’s gone. The results weren’t good enough. He had us near the playoffs and it fell apart after he made his signings. This season we’re struggling. He’s had two dozen new players in just under 18 months. He had access to all of that funding, the enviable training facilities and the ridiculous productive youth academy. He had all of that and he leaves us in 14th place, moaning about how others are at fault. It’s b*llocks, IMO. Smoke and mirrors. He’ll read this thread and love that everyone is talking about Bausor and Scott and not him. Exactly as he likes it, as he planned it, and as I’m sure we’ll hear lots more about on Talksport and the like in the coming weeks.
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To be fair I did mention this earlier about the press continuing to give him a free pass, but you put it better than I did
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Just thinking about this. This thread has reached 6 pages now and all everyone is doing is talking about recruitment. Not the lack of cohesion in our play, the lack of a style or system almost 18 months into a job, the fact our second half record is absolutely appalling, the lack of interest in keeping the ball, the poor results, the appalling way last season ended, Warnock using Mendez-Laing and building his fitness for, well, nobody quite knows, the poor set pieces, the fact he wrote the season off when we were chasing the top six when there was a third of it left to play and he’d just signed four of ‘his’ players, the fact we got worse the more resources he was given, the snide comments about club staff and throwing playing personnel under the bus when he was just as culpable if not more so… the abuse of officials, the moaning, the ‘keeper smacking it up the pitch to nobody, the fact he moaned about not having a target man and then got one and left him on the bench, the midfielders at wing back while defenders sit on the bench and our wing backs play for other clubs, the countless times our ‘man-for-man’ system ended up with opposition players being unmarked and doing damage, the gaping holes through the middle of the team… how he sacked the cups off as quickly as he could, the fact some players appeared untouchable regardless of form while others were criticised…

Nobody is talking about the real reasons he’s gone. The results weren’t good enough. He had us near the playoffs and it fell apart after he made his signings. This season we’re struggling. He’s had two dozen new players in just under 18 months. He had access to all of that funding, the enviable training facilities and the ridiculously productive youth academy. He had all of that and he leaves us in 14th place, moaning about how others are at fault. It’s b*llocks, IMO. Smoke and mirrors. He’ll read this thread and love that everyone is talking about Bausor and Scott and not him. Exactly as he likes it, as he planned it, and as I’m sure we’ll hear lots more about on Talksport and the like in the coming weeks.
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Yup, 100% this.

Instead of contributing to the 6 pages of semantics at who Warnock was having a dig at in his interview I wish I’d posted something as good as this.
 
re: Scott. If he doesn't have final say on managerial appointments and player recruitment he absolutely should have and if not he's in the wrong job.

This departure was always on the cards as soon as Scott arrived. More so the fact it was generally accepted the incumbent was only going to be here for 12 months.

It's like any other job, the new guy at the top of the tree wants his own people and will eventually get them. I assume Gibson insisted Warnock gets his record then he's off.

Whilst I have massive respect for the job Warnock has done this is the most excited I've been about the future of our club since Karanka was appointed.

At last, a strategy.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Just thinking about this. This thread has reached 6 pages now and all everyone is doing is talking about recruitment. Not the lack of cohesion in our play, the lack of a style or system almost 18 months into a job, the fact our second half record is absolutely appalling, the lack of interest in keeping the ball, the poor results, the appalling way last season ended, Warnock using Mendez-Laing and building his fitness for, well, nobody quite knows, the poor set pieces, the fact he wrote the season off when we were chasing the top six when there was a third of it left to play and he’d just signed four of ‘his’ players, the fact we got worse the more resources he was given, the snide comments about club staff and throwing playing personnel under the bus when he was just as culpable if not more so… the abuse of officials, the moaning, the ‘keeper smacking it up the pitch to nobody, the fact he moaned about not having a target man and then got one and left him on the bench, the midfielders at wing back while defenders sit on the bench and our wing backs play for other clubs, the countless times our ‘man-for-man’ system ended up with opposition players being unmarked and doing damage, the gaping holes through the middle of the team… how he sacked the cups off as quickly as he could, the fact some players appeared untouchable regardless of form while others were criticised…

Nobody is talking about the real reasons he’s gone. The results weren’t good enough. He had us near the playoffs and it fell apart after he made his signings. This season we’re struggling. He’s had two dozen new players in just under 18 months. He had access to all of that funding, the enviable training facilities and the ridiculously productive youth academy. He had all of that and he leaves us in 14th place, moaning about how others are at fault. It’s b*llocks, IMO. Smoke and mirrors. He’ll read this thread and love that everyone is talking about Bausor and Scott and not him. Exactly as he likes it, as he planned it, and as I’m sure we’ll hear lots more about on Talksport and the like in the coming weeks.
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I agree that it is better Neil leaves now rather than things drag on to season end.
I agree he has contributed to a disappointing last year.
BUT that post is uncharacteristically imbalanced Viv IMHO.

He's made mistakes, but my God he is far from alone.
Gibson has significantly reduced budget. There has been a woeful recruitment operation from CEO closing deals to scouts sourcing players. The structure has been anything but harmonious.
The academy has not produced quality for a long time (hopefully Coburn is an exception, but not really academy anyway).
The players have not exactly covered themselves in glory.
There has been nothing but problems at the club since the woeful recruitment of summer 2016.
There have been LOTS of contributing factors to our current lowly position.

Warnock has gone. It will only be "right" if Gibson pulls his finger out and makes a good appointment and addresses the other issues on his watch. I hope he does, but I'm not holding my breath.

Neil is rising 73, has had a great career, has a lovely family and is minted. I'm not losing sleep at him going, but I very much wish him well and thank him for us not being in League one, which is very much where we were heading.
 
changingman said:
re: Scott. If he doesn't have final say on managerial appointments and player recruitment he absolutely should have and if not he's in the wrong job.

This departure was always on the cards as soon as Scott arrived. More so the fact it was generally accepted the incumbent was only going to be here for 12 months.

It's like any other job, the new guy at the top of the tree wants his own people and will eventually get them. I assume Gibson insisted Warnock gets his record then he's off.

Whilst I have massive respect for the job Warnock has done this is the most excited I've been about the future of our club since Karanka was appointed.

At last, a strategy.
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I imagine Scott has recommended the next manager and the incoming manager knows the role Scott will play and accepted it.

If anything getting shot of Warnock and bringing a new man or woman in will bring better cohesion between management, playing staff and backroom staff. All signing off the same hymn sheet.

I get Warnock is disappointed and may be lashing out a bit but January is fast approaching and even he must know in his own mind the board aren't going to sanction any transfers Warnock has requested given our current league position, run of form and results since January. If our league position was different, like very different, I'm talking too three and consistently staying there then I think Gibson would have backed him in January to give him the players he wanted to give us that push over the line come May.

As it is the new manager's goal must be the playoffs.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
He’s had two dozen new players in just under 18 months. He had access to all of that funding, the enviable training facilities and the ridiculously productive youth academy. He had all of that and he leaves us in 14th place, moaning about how others are at fault. It’s b*llocks, IMO. Smoke and mirrors. He’ll read this thread and love that everyone is talking about Bausor and Scott and not him. Exactly as he likes it, as he planned it, and as I’m sure we’ll hear lots more about on Talksport and the like in the coming weeks.
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You clearly have absolutely no idea what goes on at our football club, not a scooby doo.

"He's had two dozen players in under 18 months and access to all that funding" is categorically not true. Neil Warnock did not identify and ask for those players. I don't know how many times this needs to happen before the penny drops for some people.

It was a stick used to beat Woodgate, Pulis and Karanka with. How many managers need to leave this club and criticise our recruitment before this sticks - THEY DO NOT SIGN THE PLAYERS.

You can go back as far as Southgate wanting James Beattie and getting Alfonso Alves if you want.

Karanka wanting McCormack and getting Rhodes.

Pulis wanting Bolasie and getting Saville.

Warnock made clear many of our moves were "news to him"

Woodgate stated in his press conference that he is part of the recruitment process, but it's the committee who ultimately decides.

Until this club appoints a manager and lets him build a team in his vision, this will happen over and over and over again.
 
TBH, a bit sad to see NW going because I’ve always enjoyed his comments at press jollys! Yes it’s only been what we longed to hear to make us, the fans feel good , but still always seems a nice honest bloke, exempting touchline arguments which were good to see some passion from a Boro manager.
However what always seemed a bit off to me was his two mates in the dug out. Three supposedly good football brains and we still played rubbish. Twos company and threes a crowd.!etc.
Hopefully the new guy ,whoever , will spark a bit of life into the club as I feel we were going downhil, slowly but certainly.
At the end of the day better to get some action now rather than let things drag on.
 
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