We are moving close to our first striker signing
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Diego
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If it’s only a loan or short term there is no issue. I’m sure we will buy a younger striker aswell
BaronSmoggie
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Not bothered by this signing. Seems like a lot of people are excited about how he played 4 years ago. He's had a potential career threatening injury and scored only 1 goal since.
I'll reserve judgement, but I'm not expecting much.
I'll reserve judgement, but I'm not expecting much.
TheYorkshireTerrier
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Normally I would agree with you but we've seen plenty of strikers over 30 who score for fun in the Championship over the years.
Kevin Phillips
Glenn Murray
Billy Sharp
Lewis Grabban
Daryl Murphy
Even better when they've been there and done it before turning 30, like Gayle. The older the striker the more knowhow they have especially in this league.
wilkos_perm
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32 isn't old nowadays for any position
Pear-Drops
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Why is loaning out Gayle, a good move for Newcastle 
At his age, surely they'd want rid permanently ?
At his age, surely they'd want rid permanently ?
Heam44
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Because he’s on £50-60k per week. Nobody is going to match that. Only realistic option is to loan him out and pay a portion of his wages.Why is loaning out Gayle, a good move for Newcastle
At his age, surely they'd want rid permanently ?
Beverleyred
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Is that the match where Britt came on as a sub and scored two delightful goals to win the game 3-2?
Gayle was a right wind up merchant in that game, goading the Boro fans at every opportunity. He was a lucky boy if memory serves, that nobody had a go at him. I think he was warned by the Ref on one occasion.
sambaDTR
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A striker with attitude and aggression? A bit like Billy Sharp? Sign him on.
Liverpool set to let Minamino go for £17M.
Clearly he wouldn't come to Boro, so I'm not suggesting that for a second (and clearly we don't have the money any way)... but it did make be wonder at spunking £15M on Assombalonga.
Maybe I'm overrating Minamino to think £17M represents a much better deal? (Obviously his wages will be bigger than Assombalonga's too).
Clearly he wouldn't come to Boro, so I'm not suggesting that for a second (and clearly we don't have the money any way)... but it did make be wonder at spunking £15M on Assombalonga.
Maybe I'm overrating Minamino to think £17M represents a much better deal? (Obviously his wages will be bigger than Assombalonga's too).
TeaCider
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Minamino isn't an out and out striker, he's a winger/attacking midfielder who occasionally plays up front, so they're not entirely comparable.
Obviously most deals are better than the Assombalonga one in hindsight though.
Assombalonga's release clause was £15m, we paid that.
Minamino's release clause was £7.5m, Liverpool paid that and can more than double their money by selling him at £17m.
Andy_W
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When we bought Britt he was averaging a goal every 130 minutes, for a poor Forrest side, and in a good side playing to his strengths (which we didn't) he would have been worth every penny of that 15m.
We also bought Britt when average transfer fee's were nearing their peak or at their peak. Now, since covid and loads of high profile free transfers and low release clauses, fees seem to be coming down, so more money is going on wages, or into paying off club debts etc.
Liverpool also paid 35m for Andy Carroll, which is probably closer to £50m when compared to when we bought Britt.
Minamino's only got two years left on his contract, which means if they don't play him next year (which they won't, as he's not good enough for them), he'll be able to speak to any other club to arrange a free transfer (and a massive bonus), so I suppose taking any transfer profit now makes a lot of sense.
To be honest, he looks an ok player for a low/ mid prem level side, but doesn't get a lot of goals, so I think 15-20m is a fair valuation.
Glover_elbow
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Am i the only one quite underwhelmed by the news gayle is potentially signing
Andy_W
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I'm not, as I don't think he's going to be our "main man", so if you look at it like he's a number 2 or 3, then it's a good move, especially for nothing. Not spending money on a no 2/no 3 striker frees up money for No 1.
If we went up, then it's likely we would end up upgrading Gayle, or would need to to stay up, unless we went big in other areas.
If he ends up being the no 1 option, then we're taking quite a big risk there.
WindyNook
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Dwight Gayle 2018/19 WBA Championship 39games 23goals
2019/20 Ncl Premiership 20games 4 goals
2020/21 18 games 1 goal
2021/22 8 games 0 goals
Despite the call " He's done it in the Championship "
The evidence suggests that that is in the past. 5 goals in 3 seasons gives me reason to doubt his future effectiveness for us.
If he does come l hope I'm proved wrong.
2019/20 Ncl Premiership 20games 4 goals
2020/21 18 games 1 goal
2021/22 8 games 0 goals
Despite the call " He's done it in the Championship "
The evidence suggests that that is in the past. 5 goals in 3 seasons gives me reason to doubt his future effectiveness for us.
If he does come l hope I'm proved wrong.
BoroMart
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he'll only ever be any good in a free flowing side, that creates lots of chances....but then better players will score more than him in those sides.
He has poor technique, poor work rate, and cannot score against decent defenders. He was a very, very poor signing that hamstrung us for the last 4 years and will continue to impact us for another 2 financially
Ironops
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We play with 2 strikers so I expect him to probably start, alongside another one that we buy and probably have a 3rd striker signing to add competition alongside Watmore.
Andy_W
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That's the same for any striker in the championship, other than Mitrovic.
Better "players" don't necessarily score more goals though, for most strikers, being in the right place at the right time is worth much more than footballing ability, providing the players are of a certain level and fitness, which pretty much all pro's are, otherwise they wouldn't be pro's.
One thing you can't really teach is reading of the game, and anticipating where the ball will be, loads of very good "players" really struggle with this, but equally some not as good players outscore them, as they just know where to be.
If a striker is in the right place 10 times and puts it away 5 times, this is better than a striker being in the right place 5 times, and putting it away three times. But for both, if quality chances/ positions aren't created, then neither has a hope in hell.
Also, the team need to cater for what the strikers are good at, i.e high balls for those good in the air or strong, but not for those who are short/ weak/ fast., there's other ways to play to suit the latter.
All strikers struggle more against better teams, as their own team will be creating less chances, having less possession and they'll be up against better defenders/ keepers.
Yes, now and then you will get a player who ticks all the boxes of being a great footballer, and also a great finisher and great in the air, but I don't see us getting Ronaldo.
Britt's a goalscorer, but not much else (same as Rhodes), but it's the hardest box to tick. Both of their records before they came here was great, and even here they were still good for the minutes they played, and the lack of chances we create for those type of players.
Strikers will always score more in teams which create and take more chances, but we've not done that for nearly 25 years, hence why we've not had a striker score as much as other sides. The strikers goals are directly proportional to team style/ setup and chances created. We've been more of a less goals conceded/ less goals scored sort of team, especially recently.