Ewan McColl was there for a while wasn't he with the theatre performers. Is it true he changed his name because he was AWOL from national service?
Who Has Been To Ormesby Hall?
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HarryVegas
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Hadn't heard any of that but wouldn't be surprised. As well as a genius songwriter and activist, he was a rum old cove, that's for sure.
HarryVegas
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She's already got one of my books dedicated to her, that's enough to be going on with
I was singing your writing praises only recently and I'm sure you have an opera in you. And I know you have an ear for a tune.She's already got one of my books dedicated to her, that's enough to be going on with
(Obviously not that I was singing, in my dreary monotone.
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Redwurzel
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Ruth was known as the "Red Duchess" and was interested not only in politics but also performing arts. Joan Littlewood's Theatre Workshop was left wing and looked to develop working class actors, she developed the actors who played George and Mildred in the popular TV show. Originally based in Salford, Ruth took them in the late 1940s. Actress Billie Whitelaw trained at Ormesby Hall for a while. Ruth also use to invite ex International Brigaders who had survived Spain in 1936-39 for get togethers with music and communal singing in the basement. This included protecting Ewan McColl in Ormesby Hall (famous folk singer and father of Kirsty) in the 1950s and early 60s from M15, in the "Reds under the Beds" scares of the time. Ewan had been married to Joan Littlewood.
Ormesby Hall famously held a Conservative Association meeting addressed by Neville Chamberlain when he was PM. Both the Colonel and Ruth helped unemployed ironstone miners in the 1930s by setting up a furniture manufacturing business in Boosbeck producing furniture like Lloyds Loom.
The model railways at OH are the only ones in any NT property.
Ormesby Hall famously held a Conservative Association meeting addressed by Neville Chamberlain when he was PM. Both the Colonel and Ruth helped unemployed ironstone miners in the 1930s by setting up a furniture manufacturing business in Boosbeck producing furniture like Lloyds Loom.
The model railways at OH are the only ones in any NT property.
Mark_MSF
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There is actually some sort of local event on at the hall tomorrow called love local. Food stalls, artists, charities etc.
10:30 - 4pm
Also a classic car show on 3rd July.
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10:30 - 4pm
Also a classic car show on 3rd July.
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Learn about Ormesby Hall and find the information you need to plan your visit, from opening times and where to park, to things to see and do when you arrive.
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HeineOtto
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I was at a bash with work recently and got chatting to a few National Trust managers and they were telling me that there is a lot of work going on at the moment to further enhance the Ormesby Hall story for visitors. This includes a couple of ongoing research projects, one of which is at Cambridge University. The original lands stretched down to the Tees where the Riverside Stadium stands and out to the moors.
rob_fmttm
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The land still stretches up beyond The Parkway up to Hambleton Hill.
Redwurzel
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Ewan McColl did change his name from James Miller and he was a communist so I guess he didn't want to do National Service. But he was born in 1915 so it would have been conscription in WW2 he was avoiding.
The Pennymans owned the land where the Riverside is, through North Ormesby, Berwick Hills, Thorntree, Park End, Ormesby, Nunthorpe. I think they also had parcels of land over East Cleveland, Stokesley and land near Beverley. They earned quite a bit of money from mineral rights on their land when Ironstone was discovered. The also sold a lot of land for residential development, such as North Ormesby. Colonel Pennyman was a very influential North Yorkshire Councillor in the 1930s,40s,50s. He helped get the ICI investments @ Wilton after WW2 and so laid the foundations for a successful chemical industry on that site.
The Pennymans owned the land where the Riverside is, through North Ormesby, Berwick Hills, Thorntree, Park End, Ormesby, Nunthorpe. I think they also had parcels of land over East Cleveland, Stokesley and land near Beverley. They earned quite a bit of money from mineral rights on their land when Ironstone was discovered. The also sold a lot of land for residential development, such as North Ormesby. Colonel Pennyman was a very influential North Yorkshire Councillor in the 1930s,40s,50s. He helped get the ICI investments @ Wilton after WW2 and so laid the foundations for a successful chemical industry on that site.
Liquid Jones
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The Pennymans owned the land our house is built on once upon a time, all the way over here in Sadberge!
Redwurzel
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I seem to remember they benefitted under Charles II from fighting on the Royalist side in the Civil War. Then they married well i.e the sons married women with wealth/land across the North. Although a wicked Pennyman lost a lot of the family wealth gambling on horses.
I would guess the discovery of local Cleveland ironstone gave the family quite a spike in wealth. The Colonel was sent to Eton as a boy and had the best of everything. He became the leader of the Conservative Association in North Yorkshire and had enough influence to get Neville Chamberlain to come for a weekend and stay at Ormesby Hall.
I would guess the discovery of local Cleveland ironstone gave the family quite a spike in wealth. The Colonel was sent to Eton as a boy and had the best of everything. He became the leader of the Conservative Association in North Yorkshire and had enough influence to get Neville Chamberlain to come for a weekend and stay at Ormesby Hall.