VestasBoro
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America, is mental.
Why No Trading Of Players Between Teams?
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jonny_greenings_sock
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It would be an amazing system in the Premier League if say, Norwich got to sign a 16 year old Raheem Sterling on a five year deal for 1k a week, and he can’t be transferred. That would be the equivalent, but runs contrary to how football works!
Jedi boro
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That’s not strictly true as players can refuse to join a team ( they aren’t slaves) in the draft but the fall out from this would all but end their career before it’s begun.
Jedi boro
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Here -
Legally, yes. Practically, it’s not usually an advantageous position for the player to be in, and it’s better to just sign and start grinding out service time toward free agency.
If a player doesn’t like the team that drafted them or the money being offered, they can refuse to sign a contract. The draft isn’t slavery; a team can’t FORCE a player to play for them. However, usually a team’s exclusive rights to a player remain in effect for a period of time (usually, until the following year’s draft), meaning the player can’t play for any other team in that league either.
The one sport where this is actually fairly common is baseball. A lot of (US) players will get drafted out of high school or in their early college years, and if they don’t like the team they’re selected by or don’t like the money being offered, they just go back to school for another year. (International players are not eligible for the draft.) Some of this probably comes from the longer development cycle on baseball players — since even the best baseball players need to spend a few seasons in the minors anyway, there’s less urgency on both sides to FORCE a signing, and the players can continue to develop in the college setting. And in fact, SOME players improve and get drafted HIGHER the second time around. (Example: there was a college pitcher named Mark Appel who was drafted 8th overall by the Pittsburgh Pirates in 2012, but returned to Stanford for his senior year and was the #1 overall pick of the Houston Astros the following year.)
With the other sports though, college eligibility is a one-way door the minute you hire an agent, you’re not getting paid, you lose a year of playing experience, and when you go back into the draft, you almost certainly get drafted in a lower position because there’s a fresh new crop of talent and you’re just a year older. So in football/basketball/hockey, holding out for a year is almost never done. Usually, the best you can do is get drafted and raise enough of a cloud of negative PR that the team that drafts you decides to trade you (see also: John Elway, Eli Manning, Eric Lindros) instead of dealing with the headache.
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Legally, yes. Practically, it’s not usually an advantageous position for the player to be in, and it’s better to just sign and start grinding out service time toward free agency.
If a player doesn’t like the team that drafted them or the money being offered, they can refuse to sign a contract. The draft isn’t slavery; a team can’t FORCE a player to play for them. However, usually a team’s exclusive rights to a player remain in effect for a period of time (usually, until the following year’s draft), meaning the player can’t play for any other team in that league either.
The one sport where this is actually fairly common is baseball. A lot of (US) players will get drafted out of high school or in their early college years, and if they don’t like the team they’re selected by or don’t like the money being offered, they just go back to school for another year. (International players are not eligible for the draft.) Some of this probably comes from the longer development cycle on baseball players — since even the best baseball players need to spend a few seasons in the minors anyway, there’s less urgency on both sides to FORCE a signing, and the players can continue to develop in the college setting. And in fact, SOME players improve and get drafted HIGHER the second time around. (Example: there was a college pitcher named Mark Appel who was drafted 8th overall by the Pittsburgh Pirates in 2012, but returned to Stanford for his senior year and was the #1 overall pick of the Houston Astros the following year.)
With the other sports though, college eligibility is a one-way door the minute you hire an agent, you’re not getting paid, you lose a year of playing experience, and when you go back into the draft, you almost certainly get drafted in a lower position because there’s a fresh new crop of talent and you’re just a year older. So in football/basketball/hockey, holding out for a year is almost never done. Usually, the best you can do is get drafted and raise enough of a cloud of negative PR that the team that drafts you decides to trade you (see also: John Elway, Eli Manning, Eric Lindros) instead of dealing with the headache.
Can a drafted player refuse to sign?
Answer (1 of 9): Legally, yes. Practically, it’s not usually an advantageous position for the player to be in, and it’s better to just sign and start grinding out service time toward free agency. If a player doesn’t like the team that drafted them or the money being offered, they can refuse to s...
jonny_greenings_sock
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And the other equivalent would be, you’ve signed Alexis Sanchez for £350,000 a week on a four year deal and there’s no such thing as transfers.
You want to get rid of Alexis Sanchez, because he’s *****, but you can’t sell or loan him, because there’s no such thing as transfers - and you can’t bring in Ronaldo until you get rid of him, because there’s a salary cap.
So, you basically give Crystal Palace a league title in 10 years by giving them all of your draft picks plus Alexis Sanchez’s salary, if they’re happy to take it on, in return for Wilf Zaha’s contract which ends in a month. As soon as that’s gone, you can sign Ronaldo - and Palace get their pick of the best talent for the next 10 years, because they get your pick and their picks.
You want to get rid of Alexis Sanchez, because he’s *****, but you can’t sell or loan him, because there’s no such thing as transfers - and you can’t bring in Ronaldo until you get rid of him, because there’s a salary cap.
So, you basically give Crystal Palace a league title in 10 years by giving them all of your draft picks plus Alexis Sanchez’s salary, if they’re happy to take it on, in return for Wilf Zaha’s contract which ends in a month. As soon as that’s gone, you can sign Ronaldo - and Palace get their pick of the best talent for the next 10 years, because they get your pick and their picks.
Jedi boro
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That’s why I think the foreign owners will target relegation places eventually.
As us sport runs on the key principle of “worst to first”
viv_andersons_nana
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The Alan Kernaghan - Colin Walsh loan swap with Colin Todd and Lennie was a strange one. And Walsh wore No5, so even weirder in many ways. Walsh was a good player actually.