Worst Ever Boro 11 - We have our team!

Replace
Shwartzer with Itandje
Hoyte with Steinsson

Keep
Morrisson over Aliadiere
Cattermole over Digard

Opt for Kevin Nolan over Gary O'Neil (which wasn't on the cards)

Cash in on Downing £6m rising to £10 on appearances from Spurs

Do away with the signings of Alves, Tuncay, Shawky and Emnes
instead using the hindsight machine take Steven Fletcher, Ross McCormack, Graham Dorrans and Charlie Adam

------------------Itandje---------------
Steinsson--Wheater--Huth--Pogatetz
Morrison--Cattermole--Nolan--Adam
-------McCormack--Fletcher----------

allerdyce, redknapp.. we still go down, we end up just as much out of pocket after the old school manager add ons and potential we end up worse off.
Itandje was a bit of bother at Liverpool, Cattermole needed winding in.. do we have the relase values that we got when we went down.

from the outside lookig in it would look like we were preparing directly for the championship.. where as what we actually did was try and build for another pop at europe.
Gareth Southgate was far beyond the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney or any of the current generation of ex england players that moved into management.

We did have a good go at it, disappointing as it may have been we only missed out by 3 points and that ws with our hands tied and three seasons of ever an decreasing budget.
not many managers could hack it even with the money flowing in.

time for a bit of a wake up and realisation of where we were and what actually happened.
 
We were after Joey Barton before Gary O'Neil..

imagine the state of the team we could have had..

----------------- Itandje-----------------
Steinsson----Huth--Wheater--Pogatetz
Johnson--Cattermole--Barton----Adam
---------------King--Fletcher-------------

I think people forget how hard it can be to stay in the premier league and how far clubs can fall when they drop out.

Have a look at Sunderland, Portsmouth, Bolton, Blackpool, Derby, Wigan, Forest, Swindon..
 
allerdyce, rwdknapp
newyddion said:
Replace
Shwartzer with Itandje
Hoyte with Steinsson

Keep
Morrisson over Aliadiere
Cattermole over Digard

Opt for Kevin Nolan over Gary O'Neil (which wasn't on the cards)

Cash in on Downing £6m rising to £10 on appearances from Spurs

Do away with the signings of Alves, Tuncay, Shawky and Emnes
instead using the hindsight machine take Steven Fletcher, Ross McCormack, Graham Dorrans and Charlie Adam

------------------Itandje---------------
Steinsson--Wheater--Huth--Pogatetz
Morrison--Cattermole--Nolan--Adam
-------McCormack--Fletcher----------

allerdyce, redknapp.. we still go down, we end up just as much out of pocket after the old school manager add ons and potential we end up worse off.
Itandje was a bit of bother at Liverpool, Cattermole needed winding in.. do we have the relase values that we got when we went down.

from the outside lookig in it would look like we were preparing directly for the championship.. where as what we actually did was try and build for another pop at europe.
Gareth Southgate was far beyond the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney or any of the current generation of ex england players that moved into management.

We did have a good go at it, disappointing as it may have been we only missed out by 3 points and that ws with our hands tied and three seasons of ever an decreasing budget.
not many managers could hack it even with the money flowing in.

time for a bit of a wake up and realisation of where we were and what actually happened.
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I disagree an experienced head like an allerdyce, or redknapp would have bought better and kept us up. Southgates signings were so bad most would struggle in the championship like Hoyte and alidire never mind the Premier league
 
newyddion said:
Shwartzer - Turnbull we made a huge ammount back on wages.. we missed out on Charles Itandje from Liveperpool (Blackburn bought Paul Robinson for £3,5m)

Young - Hoyte - Southgate brought Young in but he cant take credit for that, we accepted £6m for him and missed out on Gretar Steinsson (cash problems)
Woodgate - Wheater - Woodgate brought in Jonathan Woodgate too didn't he.. sold at a profit and replaced by upcoming academy prospect David Wheater (trained with england)
Huth - I think Southgate brough Huth in to.. to replace himself. Good call, won the premier league with Leicester
Queudrue - Arca - the love for Queudrue grew as he continiued at a high level for other clubs.. even better when we drifted away. Arca very much under rated imo

Morrison - Aliadiere - top money for an academy player thought to have peaked. would have been great for us in the championship. we were going for europe tho..
Cattermole - Digard - fighting and being a complete tool.. we brought in a french prospect who was fine until Cattermole tore his quad and knacked his knee.
Rochemback - O'Neil - the myth of Fabio Rachenback.. he got slagged off at the time, Gary O'Neil was decent, Portsmouth wanted him back for £5m.. not a fancy player tho
Boateng - Shawky - cashed in on a player who was slowing down, we gambled on and Egyptian player.. sometimes gambles dont pay off.

Hasslebaink - Mido - £6m was a solid signing, beat Sunderland to his signature and if not for injury and fatness would have tore it up
Yakubu - Alves - something daft like European golden boot, he could score goals and scored against top teams in the prem
Viduka - Tuncay - go to Turkey and see mention his name, scored a hatrick agaisnt man utd didnt he? and he came on a free? no kick back for allaerdyce redknapp dyche* or warnock

*Dyche who staeted managing in 2011 but all of a sudden becomes more experienced than Gareth Southgate who is a year older.

Southgate made money, his signings were more hit than miss, the carpet was pulled from under him and he got results in the premier league against some top teams.. even in the relegation season. very much a forward thinking coach he pushed on academy players and developed them beyond what any of the coaches you have mentioned. David Wheater looked like he was gonna play for England at one point!

Use the hindsight machine and you wont get much better.. would you prefer a £6m Alan Smith over a £6m Mido?

Kevin Nolan would have been a canny signing over Gary O'Neil.. could we have managed it? Would he have made THAT moch difference? Then there are all the players Mark Proctor was trying to push our way that our fans would not have accepted.. £500k for a scotish midfielder when we've just been in a EUFA cup final (Charlie Adam) £200k for Graham Dorrans rather than and international midfielder being chased by Newcastle (I think we beat Newcastle to Didier Digard)

The hindsight machine gets you one place.. still relegation. Because injuries happen, the quality of players is there or there abouts and if the bank say no.. then theres nothing you can do about that.
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To be fair if you are going to say how good all that business was then the fact he got the team relegated and looked so awful doing it is a travesty.

All your "look at what we could have" are purely hypothetical. They are only some of the players potentially linked by reports which we know isn't the same as reality. There were loads of players transferred that season that would have been improvements on what we had. Also, we were so skint we managed to spend £3.5m on project Emnes who didn't start a game until May.

All this tells me is Southgate failed miserably at recruitment and failed miserably at tactics and team selection. I am genuinely nonplussed how anyone can defend his tenure with us as anything but an unmitigated disaster. There were really no positives at all. We rapidly snowballed from UEFA cup finalists to getting beat 5-0 at home in the championship before he was finally cut loose. I think a change of manager at any point from Xmas onwards would have kept us up. We were dreadful. 2 wins in the last 26 games of the season!
 
Don’t forget Gareth had never managed so much as an u11 game at the club either.

As under mclaren we had coaches upon coaches and none of them were Gareth.

It was and remains an insane appointment.
 
The difference between Garry monk and all of the other managers mentioned is that they were all working to improve the fortunes of Middlesbrough football club. Garry Monk spent 7 million on a west ham reserve who had a handful of goals in league one for an inflated figure who left on a free.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
The difference between Garry monk and all of the other managers mentioned is that they were all working to improve the fortunes of Middlesbrough football club. Garry Monk spent 7 million on a west ham reserve who had a handful of goals in league one for an inflated figure who left on a free.
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So that rules Monk out then?
 
Glover_elbow said:
allerdyce, rwdknapp

I disagree an experienced head like an allerdyce, or redknapp would have bought better and kept us up. Southgates signings were so bad most would struggle in the championship like Hoyte and alidire never mind the Premier league
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Allerdyce was Bolton manager in 2006 and the move to boro wasn’t really in the cards..
you could maybe look at us signing Nicolas Anelka over Mido or Afonso Alves..

You could say from his time with Newcastle that we sign Alan Smith and Joey Barton over Gary O’Neil and Didier Digard.. much higher fees that would have caused the same issues (if not worse) from injuries and prison all be it with a much higher wage packet. Newcastle got relegated the same season as us let’s not forget.

Harry Redknapp was with Portsmouth and again the option wasn’t really there that he would have come to us. Jermaine Defoe, David Nugent perhaps over Mido and Afonso Alves, Niko Kranjcar over Gary O,Neil and Papa Bouba Diop over Didier Digard start to wet the whistle.. but these players were on a wedge and where did Portsmouth end up.. I don’t think it’s any coincidence tbh

Similar league finishes to Gareth Southgate on a much richer budget.. too rich.
They won the FA cup the same season we were defeated by Cardiff.. but they didn’t half pay the price for it. We weren’t that far off.. it may be difficult to swallow but it it the truth.

Southgate was a decent manager for us and we did him dirty.. we’ve been in the championship ever since.. and for that reason Gordon Strachan is our worst ever manager.
 
newyddion said:
Allerdyce was Bolton manager in 2006 and the move to boro wasn’t really in the cards..
you could maybe look at us signing Nicolas Anelka over Mido or Afonso Alves..

You could say from his time with Newcastle that we sign Alan Smith and Joey Barton over Gary O’Neil and Didier Digard.. much higher fees that would have caused the same issues (if not worse) from injuries and prison all be it with a much higher wage packet. Newcastle got relegated the same season as us let’s not forget.

Harry Redknapp was with Portsmouth and again the option wasn’t really there that he would have come to us. Jermaine Defoe, David Nugent perhaps over Mido and Afonso Alves, Niko Kranjcar over Gary O,Neil and Papa Bouba Diop over Didier Digard start to wet the whistle.. but these players were on a wedge and where did Portsmouth end up.. I don’t think it’s any coincidence tbh

Similar league finishes to Gareth Southgate on a much richer budget.. too rich.
They won the FA cup the same season we were defeated by Cardiff.. but they didn’t half pay the price for it. We weren’t that far off.. it may be difficult to swallow but it it the truth.

Southgate was a decent manager for us and we did him dirty.. we’ve been in the championship ever since.. and for that reason Gordon Strachan is our worst ever manager.
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Absolutely! GS2 was definitely the worst. GS1 wasn't that bad considering he was thrown in at the deep end. We were only 1 point behind leaders Newcastle when he was sacked. In comea Wee Gordon and we finish 29 points behind them 😱
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
The difference between Garry monk and all of the other managers mentioned is that they were all working to improve the fortunes of Middlesbrough football club. Garry Monk spent 7 million on a west ham reserve who had a handful of goals in league one for an inflated figure who left on a free.
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What!!! so Gordon Strachan's plan of spending millions on 2nd rate scottish league footballers, was working to improve the fortunes of Middlesbrough football club.
 
It pains me to see the Southgate hate. He was backed here and there but the downgrade he had to oversee was massive. He obviously didn’t have the best of times but to put him down as our worst manager just can’t be right for me.
 
Morton94 said:
Dwight Tiendalli. Good god I think he made one appearence and he was god awful
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I remember watching the game he played, the goal was always going to come against him. And it did. I forget who we played against as my memory is awful and thankfully it is jsut to block that game out.
 
Gordon Strachan is the worst thing to happen to our beautiful club...ever..fact
Although Alves was a disaster financially Strachan tunneling us into Mcboro and bringing his mates down was awful to see and gives me shivers.
Barry Robson notable exception
And I appreciate Strachan just walking away...but goddam that was a bad chapter
 
Raich Carter , took us down to the 3rd division and we would have gone down to the 4th if Stan Anderson hadn't replaced him.
 
Southgate, Strachan and Woodgate are the contenders in my lifetime. I think Strachan and Woodgate are pretty much neck and neck for performances but Strachan’s tenure left us lumbered with expensive duds we couldn’t shift for years. Monk did that too but at least we actually performed ok for the most part.

Strachan for me.
 
Although he is still one of my favourite Boro players, I think I am going to throw Bobby Murdoch's hat into the ring and hope he doesn't get the job.

Bobby was a great player for us and very influential on Souness' career but his managerial side, all be it during a turbulent time at the Boro with the break up of John Neal's team, was very poor.

I've just looked at his stats and they are Pl 54, W 9, D 19, L 26 and a win ratio of 16.67%.
 
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