LessoftheLip
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That'll raise a few spirits on here.
That'll raise a few spirits on here.
I don't know the answer to that question - I DO know the answer to Blyth Valley though, because I was there on the doorstep knocking on hundreds of doors, unlike the majority of the BV Labour Left who decided not to canvass or speak to people on the doorstep because they'd spat their dummies out.Who spat their dummies out in Durham North West where there was an almost identical overall swing to the Tories?
Edit.Who spat their dummies out in Durham North West where there was an almost identical overall swing to the Tories?
Partly. But if you don't use that power for 'good' then you're doing it wrong. The Tories use their power to feather the nests of themselves and their sponsors - 'good' from their point of view. If a Labour government does none of the things you'd expect a Labour government to do then it's just a wasted opportunity. Power for the sake of power is as utterly pointless as being an inactive opposition.
When an election is announced a manifesto will published.
The Tory government is desperate for Labour to make commitments now. It’s driving them mad.
Just like it’s doing the same to you. The long game is being played. Learn to enjoy it
As a left-winger, I've pointed this out on the board on many occassions - it wasn't the right-wing of the Labour Party that caused a Tory to get the seat in Blyth Valley, it was the left-wing of the local party who spat their dummy out and did little to nothing to help get the prospective Labour MP elected. The net result? A Tory MP in Blyth Valley of all places!
Sabotage comes from all wings of the party @bumface and it's the constant division and arguing between different factions of the Labour Party that for decades have hurt the party and by extension, the publi as the Tories have at times been elected by defualt. And just look at the damage they've caused, and continue to cause.
Its not like Labour don't say anything though. We get lots of messaging from the party indicating what they're planning. Do you actually expect the manifesto when it comes to be something dramatically different from what they've said its going to be?
Like specifically does anyone expect Reeves to suddenly say shes not sticking to her austerity style spending rules? Or that she'll increase taxes after years of saying she has no plans to? Do you think Streetings going to turn around and say it was a ruse all the times he talked about further privatising the NHS? Will Starmer reveal that actually he is going to reverse the tories anti protest laws and the anti trade union laws?
For anyone who does think these things, how do you get around the democratic crisis it throws us into? A government making a load of policies they have no mandate for?
WG, maybe you can say more about this and I remember you've talked about it before. But from what you're describing here it doesn't sound like 'sabotage' to me. People are within their rights to not provide voluntary labour leafleting for a political party if they choose not to.
The sabotage the right of the party engaged in during the last leadership has been well documented and is completely different. Senior paid employees of the party were deliberately hiding party funds away from the leaders office so they couldn't be used in target constituencies, they were leaking damaging stuff to newspapers, and they were deliberately not processing complaints to make them pile up and create an issue for the press to go in on.
This is exactly the kind of lazy crap that isn't worth replying to.Same political activists (hard to know which party of course).
And so is this.I agree!
Or it could be added to the 1000’s of threads hijacked by the same people over the last 2 years
Not doubting your own experiences WG. You seem like a decent sort when you aren't allowing LOTL to be a really bad influence on you and getting all p*ssy with me.As a left-winger, I've pointed this out on the board on many occassions - it wasn't the right-wing of the Labour Party that caused a Tory to get the seat in Blyth Valley, it was the left-wing of the local party who spat their dummy out and did little to nothing to help get the prospective Labour MP elected. The net result? A Tory MP in Blyth Valley of all places!
Sabotage comes from all wings of the party @bumface and it's the constant division and arguing between different factions of the Labour Party that for decades have hurt the party and by extension, the publi as the Tories have at times been elected by defualt. And just look at the damage they've caused, and continue to cause.
I think you will just have to reluctantly vote Tory then, it happens…That's the problem though. It WON'T be a Labour government. It'll just be a slightly less Tory than the Tory government we already have, calling itself a Labour government. The people who helped stop us from having a real Labour government in the last two elections are now the people leading the party. It's a joke, and it isn't even a very funny joke.
TC has pointed out that I've already said I'll probably end up holding my nose and voting for Labour when it comes down to it. I'll hate myself for doing it but I probably will do it. Never voted Tory in my life. I'd rather die. Voted Green and for a few fringe socialist parties in the past though. I even voted for Plaid Cymru once or twice when I was living in Wales. If you think I'm a Tory supporter then you're barking up the wrong tree, yoghurt boy.I think you will just have to reluctantly vote Tory then, it happens…
If that so what you do, then let the new government begin with a clean slate to deliver rather than holding the electioneering process against themTC has pointed out that I've already said I'll probably end up holding my nose and voting for Labour when it comes down to it. I'll hate myself for doing it but I probably will do it. Never voted Tory in my life. I'd rather die. Voted Green and for a few fringe socialist parties in the past though. I even voted for Plaid Cymru once or twice when I was living in Wales. If you think I'm a Tory supporter then you're barking up the wrong tree, yoghurt boy.
I just don't have any confidence in Starmer, mate. Ditch him, and put someone like Zarah Sultana in charge of the party and then they'd have my full support. I'm the left. Starmer isn't.If that so what you do, then let the new government begin with a clean slate to deliver rather than holding the electioneering process against them
See the thing is I thought starmer had purged the left of the labour party. If he hadn't then the labour party can change leader, surely? As I said this is a democracy so you should probably stop whining that the party don't represent you. They represent enough people to have a 20+ point poll lead.I just don't have any confidence in Starmer, mate. Ditch him, and put someone like Zarah Sultana in charge of the party and then they'd have my full support. I'm the left. Starmer isn't.
Not easy with FPTP.See the thing is I thought starmer had purged the left of the labour party. If he hadn't then the labour party can change leader, surely? As I said this is a democracy so you should probably stop whining that the party don't represent you. They represent enough people to have a 20+ point poll lead.
Either back them or find someone else to back,somewhere you may feel more at home.
No it isn't, I agree. However, for the moment that is the system we have and Labour can't change that from the opposition benches and the tories sure as **** ain't going to change it.Not easy with FPTP.
Nor are Labour. The two main parties have no intention of changing the system.No it isn't, I agree. However, for the moment that is the system we have and Labour can't change that from the opposition benches and the tories sure as **** ain't going to change it.