Meanwhile, in Sweden...

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RandySavage said:
I think the key word is 'advised'.
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I'm not sure it is. In the full quotes, the PM says they can't regulate every social gathering which is why it's probably just advising as they see no point in a law they can't regulate. But adds later on - "How long we have to live with these measures depends on how well you take your own responsibility and show solidarity with others."
 
Alvez_48 said:
He's done a swift edit when he got caught out.. they've had restrictions since the start that's the whole point.
You put me in tier 1 right now I'd take it, makes the same level of difference to what we're doing but helps people's mental health at least.
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I often edit to correct spelling, but I did change it from Tier 2 to Tier 1/2 as having read a reply that you wrote I googled and it did mention that the measures were localised.

But that doesn't change the fact that Sweden's response isn't working when it has been held up as a beacon of light in these dark times. I'd say the people probably kept the rate low in summer, now as they move inside and mix indoors due to the cold the virus is spreading like wildfire.
 
You say it ain't working but let's see at the end of 2020 when the 'death' toll for the year comes in so far it's looking very similar to all the others years before it:-

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Is this the country with the 4th highest death rate in Europe? I am unsure why anyone would hold them up as an example. They also have a tenth of the population density of the UK, with Oslo having 1 fifth three density of London.

I genuinely don't get it
 
Laughing said:
Is this the country with the 4th highest death rate in Europe? I am unsure why anyone would hold them up as an example. They also have a tenth of the population density of the UK, with Oslo having 1 fifth three density of London.

I genuinely don't get it
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See the graph above your post. They are obviously doing something right for themselves.
 
Alvez_48 said:
What's that got to do with the graph @Laughing ?
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I have no idea I don't see any context with the graph, I assume you are using excess deaths as a measure of success? That being the case how many excess deaths do Sweden typically get when people are allowed to travel freely, for example. How many of those 80.000 or so are usually visitors, either business or holiday makers. I think business and tourism travel makes up 12% of Sweden gdp which is a fairly large proportion. Did Sweden have foreign travel restrictions? Over summer does their population increase dramatically, and if so what did those numbers look like this year.

As I said no context to that graph.

Interestingly enough everytime I swiped Sweden on my keyboard it spells sardine.
 
Laughing said:
I have no idea I don't see any context with the graph, I assume you are using excess deaths as a measure of success? That being the case how many excess deaths do Sweden typically get when people are allowed to travel freely, for example. How many of those 80.000 or so are usually visitors, either business or holiday makers. I think business and tourism travel makes up 12% of Sweden gdp which is a fairly large proportion. Did Sweden have foreign travel restrictions? Over summer does their population increase dramatically, and if so what did those numbers look like this year.

As I said no context to that graph.

Interestingly enough everytime I swiped Sweden on my keyboard it spells sardine.
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It isn't excess deaths it's a total of all deaths.
 
Laughing said:
Hmm not sure, they are dieing at a similar rate to the British which I would guess its the primary measure.
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The graph doesn't show how many have died of heart attacks, road accidents, electrocutions, suicides, drowning, murder, falling down stairs, Covid-19 etc. : so it doesn't show very much.
 
The thread is titled meanwhile in Sweden... @Laughing 😉
It's good to know that IF and it's a big IF Sweden's mortality stays the same as other years, you despite having barely any restrictions compared to the rest of Europe (and weirdly a good tourism season this summer because of those lack of restrictions despite you saying the opposite) will still maintain that this means nothing.
Epic. Absolutely epic.
 
GazC_MFC said:
You missed off that as of November the 6th
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Yes... I.e. with 2 months of data to come in it currently looks like any other year.

I do wonder if you read what I post properly sometimes Gaz me old mucka.

It could go up another 25 thousand and that wouldn't be good (say bringing it to say 103k deaths for the year) but it could continue as it has been for the whole year and be around 90-93k at the current run rate.

At which point the suggestion that Sweden has been a disaster would surely be proven incorrect.
 
Alvez_48 said:
The thread is titled meanwhile in Sweden... @Laughing 😉
It's good to know that IF and it's a big IF Sweden's mortality stays the same as other years, you despite having barely any restrictions compared to the rest of Europe (and weirdly a good tourism season this summer because of those lack of restrictions despite you saying the opposite) will still maintain that this means nothing.
Epic. Absolutely epic.
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What? I will maintain what and when? They have the same mortality rate as the UK with covid where is your context? Are you claiming they have counted covid deaths wrong? I genuinely have no idea what you are claiming.
 
Alvez_48 said:
Yes... I.e. with 2 months of data to come in it currently looks like any other year.

I do wonder if you read what I post properly sometimes Gaz me old mucka.

It could go up another 25 thousand and that wouldn't be good (say bringing it to say 103k deaths for the year) but it could continue as it has been for the whole year and be around 90-93k at the current run rate.

At which point the suggestion that Sweden has been a disaster would surely be proven incorrect.
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What I’d be more interested in is the deaths numbers at the same week vs 5yr average or what they deaths for the remaining of the weeks
Average out to give the context of the figure at 6th November

at the moment you are comparing Apple with
Pears and I’d like to compare apples vs apples
 
Alvez_48 said:
Yes... I.e. with 2 months of data to come in it currently looks like any other year.

I do wonder if you read what I post properly sometimes Gaz me old mucka.

It could go up another 25 thousand and that wouldn't be good (say bringing it to say 103k deaths for the year) but it could continue as it has been for the whole year and be around 90-93k at the current run rate.

At which point the suggestion that Sweden has been a disaster would surely be proven incorrect.
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Alvez you genuinely are nuts mate. You look at one metric. Why have they had so few deaths of other causes. Its OK, I guess you are saying to let 6,000 die of covid so long as you maintain your average. Is that what you are saying? I must be missing something surely.
 
Laughing said:
What? I will maintain what and when? They have the same mortality rate as the UK with covid where is your context? Are you claiming they have counted covid deaths wrong? I genuinely have no idea what you are claiming.
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Feck me all cause mortality like in the graph. Have you been on the ales mate?
 
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