France back in lockdown
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spanishman
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Not for me guv. At least so far.
Spain has been using it for key workers (schools, police etc).
Starting at first for 55 and under. Now for 65 and under for key workers. Then rolling out to 65 and unders in general. In age order.
Will get down to me at 62 in the not too distant future. All being well.
Norfolkred1
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What I have seen over the last 2 days it will be well before that. This Countries future leaders right there throwing parties and shoite all over the place.
TeaCider
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Cannot see it whatsoever.
By the time we've reopened fully, the majority of vulnerable people will have been vaccinated and most of them will have had both doses.
The only way we'll end up in a fourth lockdown will be if vaccines prove less effective than reported or there's a new mutation.
dooderooni
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AZ has been a victim of its own success really. They are not a traditional vaccine producer and this is their first rodeo so to speak. The fact that they've produced a safe and effective vaccine and are offering it as a non-profit should more than outweigh any 'promises' of delivery that they may have missed. From what I've read, it was all on a best effort basis so they should be allowed some slack if they miss production targets.
As for the alleged issues, name me any drug that doesn't have potentially deadly side effects. Anyone who has seen medical ads on US TV will know how they all end with a litany of warnings about possible side effects. I honestly think AZ has become an easy political football for some to kick about and for those doing so I'd suggest their efforts might be better served helping their citizens get vaccinated rather than preventing them.
If Europe don't want it for political reasons then I'm sure it'll help the Covax effort in the rest of the world.
As for the alleged issues, name me any drug that doesn't have potentially deadly side effects. Anyone who has seen medical ads on US TV will know how they all end with a litany of warnings about possible side effects. I honestly think AZ has become an easy political football for some to kick about and for those doing so I'd suggest their efforts might be better served helping their citizens get vaccinated rather than preventing them.
If Europe don't want it for political reasons then I'm sure it'll help the Covax effort in the rest of the world.
pierrequiroule
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I agree that Macron has not handled the epidemic well, but then I am no fan of his. What he did or didn't say about the Astra-Zeneca vaccine has had only a small impact on the situation France finds itself in - the A-Z vaccine is widely available in France. The major reasons are the number of vaccines available, or lack of (the reasons have been well documented) which coincided with the spread of the UK variant several weeks after the spikes in the UK. I would also add Macron's unwillingness to close schools and lock down earlier.
TeaCider
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Anecdotal evidence, but I know a French man in Paris whose mother is refusing to get vaccinated until she's offered something different than the AstraZeneca one, and he's managed to get himself booked in for a jab at the pharmacy because there's such a low uptake.
He's not even 30.
Apparently that pharmacy is changing to the Johnson and Johnson vaccine only because so many people are refusing the AstraZeneca jab now, and that won't even arrive for a few weeks yet.
Pak_Doo_Ik
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Didn't heed the warnings of a nearby country, unwillingness to close schools and a reluctance to lockdown, which leads to an increase in transmission.
By jove its March 2020 in the UK all over again.
pierrequiroule
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A lot of people are refusing the Astra-Zeneca vaccine, what percentage I've no idea, but it's also true that France as a country has always been low on vaccine uptake. I'm not certain why but I've heard it said that it's because they have a basic mistrust of government.
Anecdotal again, but I've been on the government sites looking for a vaccination slot and there are none available in the area, and I'm 70. In his address tonight Macron said that 60-70 year-olds could now get vaccinated in April, so maybe that's why i couldn't get a slot before. You have to remember that just over 10% of the population (when I looked a week or so ago) had received their first vaccination.
EDIT Pak_Doo_Ik - Macron doesn't listen to anyone, even the citizen's forums that he set up. Hence his very low approval ratings.
Anecdotal again, but I've been on the government sites looking for a vaccination slot and there are none available in the area, and I'm 70. In his address tonight Macron said that 60-70 year-olds could now get vaccinated in April, so maybe that's why i couldn't get a slot before. You have to remember that just over 10% of the population (when I looked a week or so ago) had received their first vaccination.
EDIT Pak_Doo_Ik - Macron doesn't listen to anyone, even the citizen's forums that he set up. Hence his very low approval ratings.
dooderooni
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As an addition to my earlier post, I remember thinking during the first lockdown that the pandemic might actually see us emerge with a more holistic approach to our existence and that we'd be more mindful of our effects on others and the environment. What has become apparent though is that we won't change enough to make a discernable difference and that saddens me.
We've seen in the US and now in Europe that certain politicians are incapable of understanding that they are elected to serve the people and not themselves.
If we don't arrest our progress down the path we are on then I worry that the next pandemic we face could be even worse. Not only are we encroaching more and more into animal habitats in the search of profit, which will expose us to more and possibly deadlier pathogens, but our leaders seem less than statesmen and more like egomaniacs interested only in themselves.
We've seen in the US and now in Europe that certain politicians are incapable of understanding that they are elected to serve the people and not themselves.
If we don't arrest our progress down the path we are on then I worry that the next pandemic we face could be even worse. Not only are we encroaching more and more into animal habitats in the search of profit, which will expose us to more and possibly deadlier pathogens, but our leaders seem less than statesmen and more like egomaniacs interested only in themselves.
Norfolkred1
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A couple of overseas visitors not isolating and we are back in the mire again.
bear66
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Who wins the next presidential election?
Pak_Doo_Ik
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Well him and Merkel need to start listening to the bl00dy science as all they are doing at the moment is making Boris and his cronies look good.
ThePrisoner
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AZ vaccine is being done at cost. Who would benefit from removing that vaccination from use and causing a shortage that would result in an opportunity to fill with another vaccine?
Pfizer and their US government puppets will be doing it. The corporations must not be prevented from making their profits by some damned British-Swedish socialists.
Pfizer and their US government puppets will be doing it. The corporations must not be prevented from making their profits by some damned British-Swedish socialists.
pierrequiroule
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Mindreader.
I was going to add to my earlier post that Macron was opening the door for le Pen, so there's your answer.Hollande well and truly screwed up the Socialists so they will never recover before the next presidential election. Mélenchon will always have his 10% but never enough to challenge le Pen or Macron despite his unpopularity. So the second round will for the third time running be between a centrist candidate, Macron - (I class the Socialists under Hollande as centrist too). On the last two occasions the sensible majority in France have rallied round the centrist candidate, not because they particularly liked them, but in order to keep out le Pen.
There's a real danger that this will not happen next time and that a lot of people will abstain rather than support Macron thus letting in le Pen. My partner is a case in point, despite being well to the left politically her attitude is let's 'lance the boil' and see where it takes us. Risky, but I see her point.
PS I should add that I hope i am completely wrong.