Brexit , the negatives

Adi_Dem said:
Yet you keep making comments either to or about me. If that’s what you think I honestly couldn’t care less, the threads speak for themselves and I’m perfectly comfortable. If you can’t take it, the ignore button is your friend.
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I did ignore you for a while, then unignored you, it's not really in my nature to do that. Perhaps you are absoloutely right, I am not sure I need your ridiculous summation of people who voted leave in my life. No one has ever given you a single reason to leave that stands up to scrutiny is a remainers wet dream and simply isn't true. Vaccine procurement, then it's dismissed as not an EU memebership issue despite not one country broke ranks and now they have citizens that are dying because they were slow on procurement. Not the Eu's fault you would say.

It's pointless debating with you, you have no intention of listening with an open mind and you never have.
 
BoroMart said:
so you didn't see the manipulative media coverage against him then?
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Yes. But that's entirely the point. According to the Brexiteers there was a manipulative media campaign (Project Fear) that they were all able to see right through.

They also wanted to change the status quo in the UK and stick it to the man.

Given there was a clear option to change the status qou, and given the ability to see through the manipulation, why did they not vote for Corbyn's Labour?

Unless the reason for voting Brexit was something else entirely...
 
Centralscrutinizer said:
You don't need to be a Labour supporter to be anti this Conservative government. Too many Brexit discussions end up getting bogged down in party politics. The sad fact is our politics in general is dysfunctional now. Both main parties are self serving and factionalised with internal disputes dominating rather than looking to serve the electorate and act in the best interests of the country. Its a depressing state of affairs (n)
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This. Absolutely this
 
Laughing said:
I did ignore you for a while, then unignored you, it's not really in my nature to do that. Perhaps you are absoloutely right, I am not sure I need your ridiculous summation of people who voted leave in my life. No one has ever given you a single reason to leave that stands up to scrutiny is a remainers wet dream and simply isn't true. Vaccine procurement, then it's dismissed as not an EU memebership issue despite not one country broke ranks and now they have citizens that are dying because they were slow on procurement. Not the Eu's fault you would say.

It's pointless debating with you, you have no intention of listening with an open mind and you never have.
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The opposite is true. I am desperate for somebody to give me a legitimate benefit. There is a difference though between having an open mind and just accepting any old nonsense, which is all I ever see put forward as a Brexit benefit.

The EU hasn’t covered itself in glory in terms of the vaccination programme. You claim to know what I would say but then get it spectacularly wrong. The EU has ****ed up in many, many respects. I’ve been hugely critical of them/it. Nobody ever argued it was perfect though. It isn’t binary ie UK = bad, EU = good. The question isn’t about that, it’s about whether Brexit carries any benefits and it doesn’t. It is possible to hold the view that the EU has many flaws whilst simultaneously holding the view that Brexit was a disastrous decision disastrously implemented. That has been proven time and time again and is being evidenced in real time in front of our eyes. There is no debate to be had about that.

However, despite the EU’s poor performance, holding the UK’s vaccination programme up as a Brexit benefit is ludicrous. It is the ultimate clutch of straws, not least because our programme began whilst we were still subject to EU rules. We literally did something whilst still effectively a member of the EU and it is being held up as a Brexit benefit. And you want me to have an open mind and take that seriously?

I’m afraid it is very true that not a single benefit that stands up to scrutiny has been put forward. You’ve tried valiantly over a number of years but singularly failed. They don’t hold up to challenge and people who voted leave like yourself simply don’t like it being pointed out to them. That’s not my fault.
 
Adi_Dem said:
The opposite is true. I am desperate for somebody to give me a legitimate benefit. There is a difference though between having an open mind and just accepting any old nonsense, which is all I ever see put forward as a Brexit benefit.

The EU hasn’t covered itself in glory in terms of the vaccination programme. You claim to know what I would say but then get it spectacularly wrong. The EU has ****ed up in many, many respects. I’ve been hugely critical of them/it. Nobody ever argued it was perfect though. It isn’t binary ie UK = bad, EU = good. The question isn’t about that, it’s about whether Brexit carries any benefits and it doesn’t. It is possible to hold the view that the EU has many flaws whilst simultaneously holding the view that Brexit was a disastrous decision disastrously implemented. That has been proven time and time again and is being evidenced in real time in front of our eyes. There is no debate to be had about that.

However, despite the EU’s poor performance, holding the UK’s vaccination programme up as a Brexit benefit is ludicrous. It is the ultimate clutch of straws, not least because our programme began whilst we were still subject to EU rules. We literally did something whilst still effectively a member of the EU and it is being held up as a Brexit benefit. And you want me to have an open mind and take that seriously?

I’m afraid it is very true that not a single benefit that stands up to scrutiny has been put forward. You’ve tried valiantly over a number of years but singularly failed. They don’t hold up to challenge and people who voted leave like yourself simply don’t like it being pointed out to them. That’s not my fault.
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Its true COVID was not a reason to vote leave. But as things turn out we see the benefit of being a sovereign nation outside of the EU. Its like small company big company comparison. Small companies are more nimble and quicker to act against changes in market conditions. This is what has happened here.

The vaccination numbers are facts.
 
HundredRoom said:
Its true COVID was not a reason to vote leave. But as things turn out we see the benefit of being a sovereign nation outside of the EU. Its like small company big company comparison. Small companies are more nimble and quicker to act against changes in market conditions. This is what has happened here.

The vaccination numbers are facts.
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Wow. You just used the world's biggest crowbar. Absolute desperation.
 
ThePrisoner said:
Wow. You just used the world's biggest crowbar. Absolute desperation.
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I ignored this poster but I assume it’s the old vaccination programme nonsense? Funnily enough (and it’s not really for this thread) I actually think not having a unified approach across Europe will be really detrimental in the long term for all concerned. The benefits to the UK of rolling out the vaccinations quicker than anywhere else might make for good press but it may not quite be the successful strategy it is being held out to be. It’s a big worry of mine actually.
 
Adi_Dem said:
I ignored this poster but I assume it’s the old vaccination programme nonsense? Funnily enough (and it’s not really for this thread) I actually think not having a unified approach across Europe will be really detrimental in the long term for all concerned. The benefits to the UK of rolling out the vaccinations quicker than anywhere else might make for good press but it may not quite be the successful strategy it is being held out to be. It’s a big worry of mine actually.
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Don't lose sleep over it
 
As of April 1st the grace period expired. The UK have unilaterally extended it until October to fob off the DUP. Well judging by what’s happening over there someone’s decided to flex some muscle. Like NI police have observed...it seems very well organised.
Makes no difference at all on the cross channel routes apparently. Things are going to become very extended.
So it begins...
 
HolgateCorner said:
Yes but you can’t just keep harping on about vaccine supply as being (possible) evidence that Brexit was the right decision, it’s like saying the odd goal from Britt Assombalonga was justification for blowing all the budget on him.
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Yes but the harping on is all coming from others 5 years after the event.
 
Redwurzel said:
Adi you wrote...

"in response every one of the positives you offered was systematically torn apart for the flawed nonsense it was."

I disagree (is that allowed in this thread?) and with that uncalled for tone of disrespect, the Pro EU argument will never win enough people over and lose more current Labour voters. To win an election the Labour party has to be inclusive not divisive i.e. get around 45% of voters. Scotland is mainly lost to Nationalitists. which was a Labour heartland and this makes it even harder, there are plenty of Remain voters in the rest of the UK than will never vote Labour i.e unobtainable. I assume you want a Labour Government.

BM - Austerity policies began in 2009 under Gordon Brown and the policies of privatising parts of the NHS under Blair, who also funded and supported the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Inequality has been increasing for years it might have slowed down under Blair, but it still continued, the cries of "only one Job on Teesside" rang out in the Blair years as did the area's industrial and general economic decline in his years.

We all have to work for a fairer society, without any degree of tolerance of difference of opinion, it will not happen. The tolerance of difference does not mean agreement. The Conservatives will pick off working class seats with ease outside the Metro areas if Labour is not inclusive.

Lesson from recent history - Tony Benn (major Labour Politician) did not want to even want belong to the EEC in 1975, never mind the federal style European Union of 2021. The Labour party of the 1970s allowed tolerance of opinions. When it split in 1981 it was out of power until 1997.
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This seems another Tory voter with a ‘Labour is finished’ mantra.

Disappointing and just represents further decline for our once proud country and more food banks.

But if the masses are happy with that then so be it.
 
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HundredRoom is comfortably the most bitter and twisted of posters on this board bar none, he might not lose sleep about Brexit and doesn’t care a lot about those that do.

He seems to think exponential growth in food bank usage is a laughing matter.
 
Adi_Dem said:
I ignored this poster but I assume it’s the old vaccination programme nonsense? Funnily enough (and it’s not really for this thread) I actually think not having a unified approach across Europe will be really detrimental in the long term for all concerned. The benefits to the UK of rolling out the vaccinations quicker than anywhere else might make for good press but it may not quite be the successful strategy it is being held out to be. It’s a big worry of mine actually.
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if you ignore me why did you 'Like' the response ? Or do just have an automatic like against anyone that posts a negative comment against mine. You're not as open minded as you profess to be.
 
BoroMart said:
It seems like he is admitting that we are in corporate terms now a 'small company', an admission of Brexit being the equivalent of turning Coca Cola Corporation into Lowcock's Lemonade. Is that why we brexited, so that we could have a smaller GDP and revenue, but be 'nimble'? 🤷‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️
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Spot on
 
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