So Compulsory Vaccinations are Happening Then…..
- Thread starter Colin Warnek
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Austria has a record of compulsory vaccination - small pox - it was a complete success but only after they had forced everyone to take the vaccine. The public in Austria seem to have a very different outlook on public health.
Laughing
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I have some serious doubts about that article. Its anonymous for a start and this fact checked website says something very different.
Most people admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are vaccinated - Full Fact
The vaccines are not perfect, and the vast majority of vulnerable people have been vaccinated, so the small proportion who get seriously ill still amount to a lot of people.
fullfact.org
It doesn't distinguish between ICU and non ICU but when 65% of covid hospitalizations are vaccinated it is very unlikely our ICU wads are full of unvaccinated.
Laughing
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They have very low numbers of vaccinated when compared to the modern world. Not sure why that is, indigenous population distrusting the government maybe.
The doctors have been appealing and appealing to the public.
Laughing
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Just looked at some numbers published by the NY Times but they look wrong. They have Australia at 78% and UK art 76%. That can't be right.
DanJC
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It is apparent looking at various actions from countries across the world that Covid Injections will never bring a return to pre-March 2020 normality.
Lockdowns and Rising Cases will always be a permanent dangling carrot to guarantee subservience through uptake. If that seems acceptable to you then more power to you, but I will not be a part of this.
Lockdowns and Rising Cases will always be a permanent dangling carrot to guarantee subservience through uptake. If that seems acceptable to you then more power to you, but I will not be a part of this.
sherlock
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Genuine question.
If we accept that going back to pre-covid normality is impossible, do you think it right and fair that we go back to 75% (say) normality for the majority even if this means the significant minority (eg the CEV, those who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons) then never get back to any kind of normality at all.....ever?
DanJC
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The Covid Injection was sold on the promise of normality though was it not? I could understand as previously stated that two jabs and prevent transmission would seem like a good vaccine but as time goes by this is proving less and less of the case.
To answer your question in the most extreme case @sherlock1969 you only again have to look at Gibraltar. Incredibly high vaccination rates, still facing guidance, restrictions, potential of escalation of further restrictions. The normality you mention just isn't even going to happen or certainly short-lived for the vaccinated.
DanJC
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Take your head out of the sand.
Scrote
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1. The website just shows what statisticians have been telling us since before the vaccine was approved - once uptake is high enough, the vaccinated will overtake the unvaccinated in admissions due to the larger numbers. If 100% of the population are vaccinated then 100% of admissions would be vaccinated. It's just very basic statistics.I have some serious doubts about that article. Its anonymous for a start and this fact checked website says something very different.
Most people admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are vaccinated - Full Fact
The vaccines are not perfect, and the vast majority of vulnerable people have been vaccinated, so the small proportion who get seriously ill still amount to a lot of people.
It doesn't distinguish between ICU and non ICU but when 65% of covid hospitalizations are vaccinated it is very unlikely our ICU wads are full of unvaccinated.
2. The article makes it very clear that the author is talking about ICU admissions. There might be more unvaccinated admissions but the proportion in ICU is massively weighted towards unvaccinated. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence for this across medical Twitter accounts.
The unvaccinated - despite being relatively low in number - are the ones preventing us from returning to any semblance of pre-covid normality.
Laughing
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I don't really like the argument about there are more vaccinated than unvaccinated so of course there are more vaccinated in hospital. The reason I don't like it is that it doesn't address the question that is raised by it. If vaccine efficacy it's at 90% and 80% are vaccinated then off the 80% vaccinated, only 10% of those should be any where near a hospital. That clearly isn't the case.
As for the article you linked, I appreciate it was done in good faith but it is anonymous and anecdotal. It confirms nothing I am afraid.
It may be right, it may be a load of tosh.
Scrote
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The original promises were made against the alpha variant. As things have changed, so has the message.
Anyone clinging onto the original messaging to make their point is being disingenuous at best.
the_holgate_roof
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Exactly, the unvaccinated are the problem, so it is up to them to be left unprotected but it becomes everyone’s problem when they start filling up ICU beds because they are unprotected.
Scrote
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Then you don't understand basic statistics.
This has all been explained countless times and it's now just personal choice not to get to grips with it whilst querying the reality around it.
If only we had access to a massive archive of information to educate ourselves...
the_holgate_roof
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It was always going to be a moving target, that is the nature of mutating viruses.
DanJC
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So why are they giving the same booster composition which was used dealing with the Alpha variant and not tweaking it for the Delta variant which has caused things to change from the original message? Thoughts?
DanJC
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AGAIN. So why are they giving the same booster composition which was used dealing with the Alpha variant and not tweaking it for the Delta variant which has caused things to change from the original message? Thoughts?