Anton_Berg
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We're paying a 'small club' premium to turn a player's head. Not a good look and might be divisive later.
Celtic fans very bitter about Riley
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Its starting to become a trend. Players choosing upper end championship/lower end premier league clubs over scotlands big 2 clubs.
You would have thought the old firms supporters would have recognised that by now instead of continually being in a state of shock every time it happens.
Although this is hilarious it has nothing on the reaction north of the border when garrard left rangers to join aston villa.
You would have thought the old firms supporters would have recognised that by now instead of continually being in a state of shock every time it happens.
Although this is hilarious it has nothing on the reaction north of the border when garrard left rangers to join aston villa.
Chappy112
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And when Rodgers left Celtic for Leicester, Chris Sutton had a meltdown saying that Celtic reserves were bigger than Leicester.
I guess it's easy to say stuff like that when you get chased off to Scotland because you're a bang average/***** Premier League striker.
TheYorkshireTerrier
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Yep, look at Ryan Christie moving to Bournemouth last summer as another good example.
Lemmy_kilmister
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And not only was Sutton a lucky and bang average he's a twåt as well.
Frozen Horse
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I'm sure we know what the endgame is for these players: getting into the PL.
The question they ask themselves is whether playing in the championship or the SPL gives them the better opportunity of reaching the PL.
I do think there's been an upturn in the SPL players reaching the PL, McGinn and Edouard at Palace spring to mind, but they're still fairly few and far between. Now I think of it, Villa were in the Championship when McGinn joined, though it was a fairly safe bet they'd be promoted fairly soon. Without working it our, I'd guess playing in the championship gives you better opportunity of playing in the PL, even if you discount the possibility of promotion with your championship club, i.e. being considered worth a punt by a PL club.
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Colin Warnek
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Sutton was decent to be fair and those were the most recent days (late 90/early00s) when both Celtic and Rangers would have been around top 6 in the English leagues. Since then it's been a steady decline.
Rangers would be an average PL team now bottom half, Celtic are about our level. When Rodgers was at Celtic it was more the reverse.
Subbuteo_171
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Sadly TV money domestically and in European competitions has ruined Scottish football. When clubs in the second tier of English football have more clout than the 2 biggest teams in Scotland, and third/fourth tier similar to the likes of Dundee United/Hearts/Hibs/Aberdeen there is something wrong, competition has been completely skewed.
We shouldn’t be celebrating that fact, we should commiserate.
We shouldn’t be celebrating that fact, we should commiserate.
Redwurzel
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My guess is that we offered around £15k/week plus bonuses to Celtic's £10k/week plus bonuses.
Maybe the Daily Record should be asking why are Celtic only offering an Australian international coming to the height of his career only £10k/week, if they are such a massive club.
Salford supposedly offered £3k/week to Adam Rooney when they were in the National League and out bid Motherwell of the Scottish Premiership. Scottish football is a poor payer.
Maybe the Daily Record should be asking why are Celtic only offering an Australian international coming to the height of his career only £10k/week, if they are such a massive club.
Salford supposedly offered £3k/week to Adam Rooney when they were in the National League and out bid Motherwell of the Scottish Premiership. Scottish football is a poor payer.
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Colin Warnek
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I agree, I think they can't come into the English system soon enough personally.
If the teams vote on that and Celtic didn't like it there's always the League of Ireland.
parmoboy
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I'd imagine he's choosing to sign for us because he'll be looking at the position we're in and will feel it's a pathway for him to the Premier League.
If we were midtable then he probably would be choosing Celtic, but the draw of potentially playing in the Premier League as opposed to playing in the SPL will be swaying it.
If we were midtable then he probably would be choosing Celtic, but the draw of potentially playing in the Premier League as opposed to playing in the SPL will be swaying it.
TheWolfman
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He was heading to Celtic, we upped our offer and now he's coming here. Probably wasn't much between the 2 options but at the end of the day money has swayed his decision. It's pretty obvious. If it was the Geordies you lot would be saying he's going for the money.
I don't see any problem with him coming here for the money as long as he earns it.
I don't see any problem with him coming here for the money as long as he earns it.
SilentProf
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He won the league as a regular starter and was top scorer whilst playing for Blackburn two years after Shearer left. He was pretty successful at Norwich before that too. He may have been very poor for Chelsea but that doesn’t mean he was bang average or lucky.
I would say the biggest factor ruining scottish football is that pretty much everyone across scotland supports either celtic or rangers. If you go to the very far reaches of the north coast of scotland you find one or two aberdeen fans but even there most people support one of the old firm teams.
guisborough_rob
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As well as being one of the most inept football pundits it has been my misfortune to listen to: how on earth he got a contract at the Beeb is beyond me. He’s execrable.
BoroMart
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probably but that's like saying if Middlesbrough was in southern italy we would have signed Ronaldinho in 2003. It's so far from reality that it isn't irrelevant.
indeedido
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Players make decisions for personal reasons. It could be finances, ambitions, lifestyle, affiliations, relationships, advice, whatever. He may be coming to Boro for the money, or because he believes we will go up or he will get an immediate move, or because he had pictures of Craig Johnston, Mark Viduka and Mark Schwarzer on his wall as a kid.
MFC may, or may not have offered either Club or player significantly better terms.
What is indisputable is that Celtic have much greater financial clout. Their revenue is triple ours, their wage bill double ours and they are financially viable, stable and valuable.
They appear to have chosen not to pay enough to attract the lad, but be under no illusion they could.
If I was a Celtic fan I would be miserable that my club could afford to sign a player the manager really wants, but doesn't.
I hope for our sake - and Steve Gibson's sake - he is worth it.
MFC may, or may not have offered either Club or player significantly better terms.
What is indisputable is that Celtic have much greater financial clout. Their revenue is triple ours, their wage bill double ours and they are financially viable, stable and valuable.
They appear to have chosen not to pay enough to attract the lad, but be under no illusion they could.
If I was a Celtic fan I would be miserable that my club could afford to sign a player the manager really wants, but doesn't.
I hope for our sake - and Steve Gibson's sake - he is worth it.
BoroMart
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we've been told over and over that other than finances all those are reasons not to come to Boro. In fact he knew their coach he wouldn't go up if he had no interest in listening, a poor relationship.
It's still irrelevant and lily livered to not just be honest, their boss really wanted him they pushed hard for him, we blew them out of the water.
That's pure speculation based on income, but not expenditure or business strategy or income glass ceiling. They have limited methods of lowering debt, they have a glass ceiling to income much lower than ours and that is a significant factor in why their wages-to-turnover aren't very high and can't be.
In my experience, making a conclusion (Celtic can blow us out of the water) based on a single statistic (revenue) will lead to an inaccurate conclusion....as we see in the case of Riley 'moneybags' McGree