I love this level of homophobic trolling. Zorro tells you why you’re wrong, so you just completely change the subject and ignore him. We see you mate, it’s obvious what you’re doingIs homosexuality illegal in Dubai? Just asking cos judging by instagram it’s every Premier league players fave holiday destination.
Your missing the point.Nominal head that is pure ceremonial and has no say, power or input into the rules and laws of those countries. It’s not the same at all.
It reminds me of the climate change argument - "why should we do anything cos China produce more than us"
People wouldn't do anything if all they relied on was whataboutery. As soon as you start saying 'but what about so and so' you have kinda lost the argument. It's all about what WE do.
Full honoursDid you graduate from a finishing school for doyles?
Surely all argument is essentially "whataboutery ". If you're trying to prove whether something is a penalty, whether someone has the right to govern or whether actions are balanced and measured, you compare and contrast, you look at the context and you consider like for like evidence.
If every time somebody does this you just shout "oh whataboutery ', it just seems as though you have no proper argument but are relying on a tired old cliche.
I personally think there is breathtaking double standards regarding Qatar, but nobody wants to address this.
Vettel said something similar as well as he said are we improving it if are just validating it. I think it’s one of the reasons he’s decided to walk away as he just can’t square this circle.I'm not sure I agree with this, there's hardly shed loads of evidence to point to it working?
Agreed!Comparing and contrasting is fine, but 'whataboutery' is essentially not acting on something because others aren't, isn't fine. For example:
1. We should cut our carbon emissions because we are contributing to climate change. China are producing a lot of carbon and are doing little about it so we are right in trying hard to reduce ours by as much as possible.
Or
2. Why should we cut our emissions cos China are producing more and they aren't doing anything?
In one we are trying to address the actual problems - the other we are refusing to address problems. I know which is best.
Usually it is some ignorant righty who comes out with the 2nd argument - mainly as justification why they don't need to do anything because they are alright, Jack.
Comparing and contrasting isn't whataboutery. It is comparing and contrasting.
I like this line about ignoring other l human rights issues. It's a great fake outrage play by right thinkin, prejudiced people isn't it?I’m not trolling, for the record I think it’s a terrible regime in Qatar, what I’m saying is that we’re picking and choosing this specific battle whilst ignoring loads of other human rights issues because it might actually inconvenience us. Anyone can bang on about an armband but it changes nothing when we are happy to buy their gas, fly their airlines have an office in their ‘shard’ etc.
But hey what do I know.
Not to excuse it, but if we're talking about football in Russia or cricket in Pakistan, at least there's some heritage there. Whatever else is problematic you can at least justify a host from a sporting perspective. With Qatar it's shameless grift and hypocrisy - there's no football history and there'll be zero legacy.I'm proud of Englands players for taking a knee, I'm even prouder of Irans players for refusing to sing their anthem. I think it's a shame the armbands weren't worn......but I think the op has a point.
Why is there a thousand times more scrutiny and criticism of this tournament, than sporting tournaments, tours and games held in places with arguably much worse human rights records? Like Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan.
This isnt whataboutery I'd genuinely like to know why.
There's also the "emissions per head of population" metric. Not sure exactly how that changes the picture, but I'm sure it would make it less damning. Not to mention the fact that a lot of manufacturing emissions in those places will be for producing cheap shïte for the west that we don't need anyway. And then shipping it over...Agreed!
Those who do the "what about China / India / blah blah" actually mean - I dont understand the issues involved and wont acknowledge I / we have responsibility - and they stick their heads up their arzes or in the sand - or both.
We have to continue fighting and campaigning and doing what we can, and ignore those who cant see what they are looking at.
We are wasting our time with the wasters.
"Yeah, but its ok for them.There's also the "emissions per head of population" metric. Not sure exactly how that changes the picture, but I'm sure it would make it less damning. Not to mention the fact that a lot of manufacturing emissions in those places will be for producing cheap shïte for the west that we don't need anyway. And then shipping it over...
But that’s my exact point. People asking the question, why the incredibly strong reaction to Qatar, by people who ignore far far worse human rights abuses in other countries and regimes isn’t whataboutery. No body is saying we should ignore or condone what’s happening in Qatar, the question I keep asking is why the very obvious double standards?Comparing and contrasting is fine, but 'whataboutery' is essentially not acting on something because others aren't, isn't fine. For example:
1. We should cut our carbon emissions because we are contributing to climate change. China are producing a lot of carbon and are doing little about it so we are right in trying hard to reduce ours by as much as possible.
Or
2. Why should we cut our emissions cos China are producing more and they aren't doing anything?
In one we are trying to address the actual problems - the other we are refusing to address problems. I know which is best.
Usually it is some ignorant righty who comes out with the 2nd argument - mainly as justification why they don't need to do anything because they are alright, Jack.
Comparing and contrasting isn't whataboutery. It is comparing and contrasting.
Because as I said this was not what they agreed to. First off they campaigned for a summer games that changed ( despite Australia asking for a winter date and being told that it wasn’t possible.But that’s my exact point. People asking the question, why the incredibly strong reaction to Qatar, by people who ignore far far worse human rights abuses in other countries and regimes isn’t whataboutery. No body is saying we should ignore or condone what’s happening in Qatar, the question I keep asking is why the very obvious double standards?
But that’s my exact point. People asking the question, why the incredibly strong reaction to Qatar, by people who ignore far far worse human rights abuses in other countries and regimes isn’t whataboutery. No body is saying we should ignore or condone what’s happening in Qatar, the question I keep asking is why the very obvious double standards?