red_harrington
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If you want to know anything at all about EVs we have a resident member of this board who is an expert on the subject and the very person to ask @JustTheGent
Second hand EVs
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SilentProf
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One thing to look out for with 2nd hand EV’s is if and when models have been revised. More recent revisions will usually have much more reliable batteries and better range. The original Nissan Leaf for example did about 80 miles which would likely be down to under 70 if you bought one now. The revised 2018 version would do at least double that depending on the model.
locomansimon
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But if you are only pottering about town the batteries dont get enough charge so you end up using the engine all the time anyway
hobblewobble
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Not exactly, if you brake or or lift off the accelerator that charges the battery, if it does get low the engine will cut in to charge the battery as well in order for it to go electric.
I cannot get under 67 mpg on my yaris.
MolteniArcore
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I’ve seen older VW ID3’s come down in price recently. Might be worth having a look. I have had one for a day before and was very impressed with it.
afcb_acklam
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has anyone ever tried nicking a bumper car from a fair and using that? they seem to last all day and never need charging
Beverleyred
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Not necessarily true Si, my Honda HRV and our lasses Jazz keep their charge very well, and as Hobble says above about his Toyota they can self charge very quickly. I can leave mine on the drive for a few days and still drive off in electric mode.
The Ruthsayer
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Care to expand on this ST? I was close to buying a plug-in hybrid as almost all of my journeys are short and I could charge from my solar panels for 6 months of the year. Opted for full electric in the end, which is a fantastic motor.
Andy_W
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As someone who has had two EV's and currently got an EV and a Hybrid I would probably advise most people to avoid cars from ~4 years ago, unless they were 2nd or 3rd gen battery EV's, and the choice on that will be fairly limited I expect.
Although, saying that, that's only to avoid scaring people off who think they need 300 miles of range or whatever, when most don't. As you say, a new/ long range EV isn't necessary for you, as only do 40 miles a day, so you could actually use the theory that 1st gen EV's are bad to your advantage, you would probably pick up something basic very cheap, and it would be extremely cheap to run.
Costs to run and service a 4 year old EV will be extremely cheap, probably the cheapest motoring possible, and the battery likely in warranty for another 4-6 years and the car will rust to dust (like any other car) before the motor needs any work.
Don't worry too much about that 8-10 year battery warranty either, if they're offering batteries that long, they probably expect them to stay in spec at least 50% more time, and even then the spec might be 90% battery life etc. They won't be expecting loads of battery warranty replacements, put it that way.
2020 was the year things started to really change for EV's though, and there would be plenty of options which had a 200 mile range, which may degrade to like 160-180 miles by 2030. Of course that's still enough range to do more than enough of a job for 90% of the people, for 99% of their driving.
All depends on what you want to spend of course, you can get a 2020 Tesla Model 3 for @20k with 25k miles on it, which would still do 250 miles range by 2030 I reckon. There would be a few good options at half that price with over 150 mile range I reckon.
Although, saying that, that's only to avoid scaring people off who think they need 300 miles of range or whatever, when most don't. As you say, a new/ long range EV isn't necessary for you, as only do 40 miles a day, so you could actually use the theory that 1st gen EV's are bad to your advantage, you would probably pick up something basic very cheap, and it would be extremely cheap to run.
Costs to run and service a 4 year old EV will be extremely cheap, probably the cheapest motoring possible, and the battery likely in warranty for another 4-6 years and the car will rust to dust (like any other car) before the motor needs any work.
Don't worry too much about that 8-10 year battery warranty either, if they're offering batteries that long, they probably expect them to stay in spec at least 50% more time, and even then the spec might be 90% battery life etc. They won't be expecting loads of battery warranty replacements, put it that way.
2020 was the year things started to really change for EV's though, and there would be plenty of options which had a 200 mile range, which may degrade to like 160-180 miles by 2030. Of course that's still enough range to do more than enough of a job for 90% of the people, for 99% of their driving.
All depends on what you want to spend of course, you can get a 2020 Tesla Model 3 for @20k with 25k miles on it, which would still do 250 miles range by 2030 I reckon. There would be a few good options at half that price with over 150 mile range I reckon.
MolteniArcore
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I wonder what a small engined petrol Yaris gets? Can’t be much less than 67mpg?
MolteniArcore
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I had one for a few days and thought it was dreadful. Constantly charging it up for it to give me 17 electric miles then the engine kicked in and took all the brunt. Didn’t get the claimed massive MPG at all.
Andy_W
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They don't use petrol to charge the electric system, in a dedicated way, do they? I thought they only banked the braking energy (via the motor) into the battery, or used some of the otherwise lost energy to stick into a battery.
Doesn't seem to make much sense using petrol to convert to electric, to store it, and then to use it again, as it's not going to be very efficient or cost effective. Of course, using grid energy is much cheaper and cleaner, which is why PHEV's are a lot better, but both are good in the way that they don't just **** away braking energy.
Beverleyred
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Spot on Andy, they do bank the energy from braking. The Honda’s also have a small generator that can assist the charging if the braking energy is low. Everyone to their own, to be honest I prefer diesel, but not the pump prices. This is my third petrol self charging Honda Hybrid, and they are great around town and on long journeys.
I was thinking a car doing lots of small journeys. The cheapest ones are now hitting below 8k. Generally if I get a car it's on the cheap side and I drive it until it's scrap so the actual value is fairly irrelevant.
More querying the potential for it to maintain a max range of 40-60 miles for the foreseeable future without the costs of paying out to keep it on the road.
Quite mixed opinions on batteries and longevity at the mo. Weighing up risk and reward. Current car may yet last 5 more years- just rattling a little more than i'd like
italianjob
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We don't all need to go off road though.
italianjob
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No they aren't.
italianjob
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That's the route I've gone. My drive to work is half electric/half petrol. Not polluting anyone around the estate or churning out fumes in low speed traffic/built up areas. And still 50MPG+ for a big car.
ThatFragranceGuy
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I was reading you can get a used model 3 Tesla for about 16-19k now with 30-40k miles on it. I know some people don't like them but they look nice and it'd not out of a lot of people price ranges for a car with that mileage
SilentProf
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The only real issue with hybrids is that you get all of the potential issues of both EV and ICE cars as well as the benefits. They weigh more than an ICE car too so if you drive them aggressively, you will find the economy isn’t as good as expected.