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Islam, just like the other religions, is incompatible with the 21st century. Religion used to claim to be the answer to all phenomena, whether it be medicine, natural disasters, the cosmos or our morality. The truth is, that Muslims are just as brainwashed as the Christians who believe in the Virgin Mary or Jews being the chosen ones by God. I would dare say most religious people don't genuinely believe the world is only 3000 years old, or the story that Muhammed flew to heaven on a winged horse, but yet a significant number of people do and are deeply offended when you do question it. For as ridiculous as the Second Amendment is in the USA, they had it right to keep religion out of politics. Find a country that adopted full secularism and fell into tyranny. Osboro has just as much of a right to call any organised religion 'medieval'. People need to get off their moral high horse. We have freedom of speech to criticise, which many religious states would never grant you that right, and would much rather see countries like the UK capitulate those rights since religion is authoritarian by nature. If people cannot make the distinction between holistically criticising religion, and criticising a homogenous group based on their faith, then that's your problem and not the person who has the right to question religion.
 
mitch_at_merseyside said:
I would dare say most religious people don't genuinely believe the world is only 3000 years old
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That's right, they don't ,because you've halved it - for whatever reasons only you know

In Jewish and Christian traditions, religious scholars report that the Bible, interpreted literally, suggests that the world is roughly 6,000 years old—a claim that is frequently cited by young-Earth creationists.
 
mitch_at_merseyside said:
Islam, just like the other religions, is incompatible with the 21st century. Religion used to claim to be the answer to all phenomena, whether it be medicine, natural disasters, the cosmos or our morality. The truth is, that Muslims are just as brainwashed as the Christians who believe in the Virgin Mary or Jews being the chosen ones by God. I would dare say most religious people don't genuinely believe the world is only 3000 years old, or the story that Muhammed flew to heaven on a winged horse, but yet a significant number of people do and are deeply offended when you do question it. For as ridiculous as the Second Amendment is in the USA, they had it right to keep religion out of politics. Find a country that adopted full secularism and fell into tyranny. Osboro has just as much of a right to call any organised religion 'medieval'. People need to get off their moral high horse. We have freedom of speech to criticise, which many religious states would never grant you that right, and would much rather see countries like the UK capitulate those rights since religion is authoritarian by nature. If people cannot make the distinction between holistically criticising religion, and criticising a homogenous group based on their faith, then that's your problem and not the person who has the right to question religion.
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Never has such a post put an end to a thread
Well done that they/them 👍
 
Boro_Interlinked said:
That's right, they don't ,because you've halved it - for whatever reasons only you know

In Jewish and Christian traditions, religious scholars report that the Bible, interpreted literally, suggests that the world is roughly 6,000 years old—a claim that is frequently cited by young-Earth creationists.
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Being as the Earth is 4.6 billion years old, I reckon the difference between 3,000 years and 6,000 years is fairly negligible.
 
Karl Marx, a Secular Humanist, had the following to say about organised religion:

“Religion is the opium of the people. It is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of our soulless conditions.”
 
r00fie1 said:
Karl Marx, a Secular Humanist, had the following to say about organised religion:

“Religion is the opium of the people. It is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of our soulless conditions.”
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Marx said a lot. Not all of it quoteworthy, some of it rubbish and some just nasty.

Secular Humanist is one way to describe him. Another is Pretentious Racist.

He and his pal Engels had some odious theories.
 
Boro_Interlinked said:
Bit tough on the kids innit ? IMO
The www infopile says from 6 to7 young kids might want to join what the adult family is doing and that's ok they can dip in and out but from 11 to 12 years old it's seen as an obligation. So a 13 year old Muslim kid in the UK will be expected to refrain from taking in any food and drink from 4.40am until 7.00pm for 30 days . Quite tough if they go to a regular school that has mixed faiths as non Muslim kids will be eating school brekkie , lunch and no doubt snacking in breaks. I don't think I ever refused a spare crisp or sweet or swig of pop that was offered by a friend at school at that age !
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It is hard, but maybe that's the point. I've worked with a lot of Muslim teenagers. and remember asking one how she coped, especially in summer. "I just try to focus on all the people who have no food every day, not just during Ramadan, and imagine how they feel. I do it for them."

Imagine that level of sacrifice from most White British kids! I'm with Osboro and Mitch in terms of my general perspective on religions, but that's not to say they can teach me nothing. My wife, who worked in Catholic schools for 30 years, points out that the every day kids are obliged to focus on doing good, being kind. She's ecstatic to be away from the stultifying orthodoxy, the sanctimony and judgey-ness of many of the staff, but finds that spiritual element, that focus on good works, on others' needs and misfortunes, to be generally lacking in the non-Catholic school she's in now.
 
It's important to recognise the record child poverty levels we have in this country, where, without a school meal, kids would come to school and go home hungry.
 
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