the lionesses and equality

Schools football is not the relevant measure, its more the availability of grassroots teams/leagues/spaces for girls to play. In Teesside with the TJFA and with the neighbouring RFYL in county Durham/Sunderland, thankfully, that shouldn't be an issue for girls now.

In fact my sons u11 team who play to a good standard (div 2 or 3 out of 9) have 2 outstanding girls players, 1 of which has signed with Durham academy. The pathway is certainly there in the North east.
 
Nano said:
Not something I ever really thought about when I was at school (secondary school, end of the 90s) but looking back now P.E. was split into boys and girls. The boys played football and rugby, the girls played hockey and netball. The majority of girls and boys were probably ok with that but there will have definitely have been some girls that would have preferred to play football and some boys that would've preferred not to. We were never given a choice.

Outside of school there were definitely girls teams because I remember a few people played for them (and went to play for Boro ladies etc) so it wasn't impossible for girls to play football but in school the default was that they didn't and even at a younger age (primary) before the physical differences start I don't remember the girls playing football. P.E was more mixed then so it might have happened but my memory isn't good enough. They definitely didn't play with the boys at playtime but there were some girls on the school team.
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I don’t think we did much my footy for PE tbh it was more rounders, gymnastics, rugby & hockey as I remember. There was definitely the general vibe that boys played football and girls played hockey.. I never thought anything of it at the time. I remember at primary school a few girls that were better than the boys.

Also coaching U8s to U13s I had one of the lads sisters training with us. She was loads better than the players for the girls team and her brother was playing a year upwards anyway.

Sunderland look like they’ve played a big role in the England squad along with Manchester City. Shame the boro couldn’t have played a bigger part. There’s clearly talented youngsters out there!
 
Aet290204 said:
Sorry for starting another thread about the lionesses but….

I’ve never watched a WSL game in my life. I watch Boro, my second (local) team are The Posh. Then there’s England. I don’t really want yet another team to spend my money on and make my life miserable at weekends thanks.

I didn’t really watch much of the Euros. I joined the game they won 8-0 about half way through and watched that. I did watch the semi final and final.

I was most pleased to learn Beth Mead was a Teesside University alumni (like me).

But today I finally got it. It’s about the equality. The girls who weren’t allowed to play at school, the women decades ago who were banned from playing, and for me the LGBT representation in the team. Ok, there may be proportionally more gay women than men that play at elite level but so what.

I thought it was a largely awful game to watch. But, who cares. Bigger picture and all that. And we won and it came home. And the celebrations were just joyful. I loved watching the post match interviews.

Peace and love guys. It transcends football.

AET
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'weren’t allowed to play at school'

But Gregory's girl was decades ago?
 
newyddion said:
This has been the big shocker for me!!

How? Why? Whaat? I don’t get it? Why would they not let girls play footy? Who are they? Why would they not let them?
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We weren't allowed to play at school...mind that was 25 years ago...we asked our PE teachers and they said no.
Ironic that some men are slating womens football when it was men who banned women playing 100 years ago when women's football was huge.
And to all the men who are slating women's football....shame on you, you're teaching your daughters/grand daughters they can't be as good as men and are re-iterating gender stereotypes to your sons/grandsons
 
I didnt know the Boro had afemale team until early 80's when I worked with Marrie Wieczorek for about 18 months at Hills the bakers canon park, she was telling me all about them

Later she went on to better things with the Boro
 
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If mens football was of the standard of some of the womens football I have seen I wouldn't watch that either.

Glad they won and hope it makes more ladies/girls take up football or just watch it but its a long way from every getting equality of wages that some have been mentioning in the media.

The average attendance is between 2-3 thousand so they will need to improve that first if they want to attract sponsership and pay higher wages.

Then there is the price of ticketing for Euro games. The fans of the mens games would love parity with the womens game on pricing. No wonder it was a sell out.

www.uefa.com

Women's EURO 2022 ticket prices and sales dates | UEFA Women's EURO

Prices ranging from £5 to £50 have been announced for the England finals in July 2022 as well as the timetable for ticket sales.
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Aet290204 said:
Yes I did!! because my first thought was if it’s written in German how are you gonna know what it means !!

Unless of course, it was a drawing…..
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I got the impression it was done as a bit of a joke, but for all we know the player in question might be able to speak German.

I don't remember who it was but if it was Georgia Stanway for instance, she's just signed for Bayern Munich so she may well have started studying German (if indeed, she didn't already speak it).
 
fmttmadmin said:
Talking to a Primary School teacher on Saturday who was annoyed by Ian Wright's comments, wondering if he was behind the times. Certainly in our area girls play football in primary schools where there is a lot of mixed sport also. This success will obvious encourage more. But you only needed to see the numbers of school girls and boys at the Arnold Clark international last season at the Riverside to see how big women's football is locally with school kids.
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That’s the thing why oppression is prevalent. If people don’t see it the assume it’s not happening.

Just because it happens in one place doesn’t mean it’s happening else where.
 
Nano said:
Not something I ever really thought about when I was at school (secondary school, end of the 90s) but looking back now P.E. was split into boys and girls. The boys played football and rugby, the girls played hockey and netball. The majority of girls and boys were probably ok with that but there will have definitely have been some girls that would have preferred to play football and some boys that would've preferred not to. We were never given a choice.

Outside of school there were definitely girls teams because I remember a few people played for them (and went to play for Boro ladies etc) so it wasn't impossible for girls to play football but in school the default was that they didn't and even at a younger age (primary) before the physical differences start I don't remember the girls playing football. P.E was more mixed then so it might have happened but my memory isn't good enough. They definitely didn't play with the boys at playtime but there were some girls on the school team.
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There was a twitter thread about this, loads of woman who said they played alongside the lads when younger, hit secondary school and PE didn’t let girls play footy and local junior leagues stopped girls playing with lads at U-12 level, but not many girls teams existed To join.
 
newyddion said:
I don’t think we did much my footy for PE tbh it was more rounders, gymnastics, rugby & hockey as I remember. There was definitely the general vibe that boys played football and girls played hockey.. I never thought anything of it at the time. I remember at primary school a few girls that were better than the boys.

Also coaching U8s to U13s I had one of the lads sisters training with us. She was loads better than the players for the girls team and her brother was playing a year upwards anyway.

Sunderland look like they’ve played a big role in the England squad along with Manchester City. Shame the boro couldn’t have played a bigger part. There’s clearly talented youngsters out there!
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The Boro ladies team have had a few players working up the England ranks, 2 Billingham sisters who have now moved up to higher levels, one has just signed for Durham, the other is playing in the USA. I think the elder sister will be pushing for the England squad shortly.
 
Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants said:
There was a twitter thread about this, loads of woman who said they played alongside the lads when younger, hit secondary school and PE didn’t let girls play footy and local junior leagues stopped girls playing with lads at U-12 level, but not many girls teams existed To join.
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The leagues stop mixed play at that age because it's when the boys game starts to get really physical. Having a mixed team may stop lads going in for a tackle or vice versa. From having coached both a boys team and girls year group (I had 40 girls in three squads playing in the local league) I think it's right. What there needs to be is more girls teams. In the lads league there are 8 divisions of 10 teams at U15 level in the girls lague only 2 divisions of 10.
We just took on any girl who wanted to play and created another team when there were enough to do so. I don;t see why this is so hard. Most girls leagues are sunday and there are plenty of pitches to go around.
For girls in exactly the same way it is with boys - If you have the numbers there will be some that make it. The rest have the gift of playing football with mates for life which is a damn good runners up prize.
 
Aet290204 said:
You’re easily pleased then😂

I honestly couldn’t really get into it until they scored.

They were superb at the ****-housery and breaking the game up at 2-1 up though.
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The really good thing about women's football in general and the Euros in particular was that there was no play acting, feining injuries, cheating, trying to get yellow cards for other players. But all that time wasting at the end, and the goalie collapsing on the floor for no reason makes me think that in a year or so the women's game will be just the same as the men.

I really hope the gamesmanship is stamped out because it's not necessary and it causes the tension in the crowd that makes the atmosphere at some men's games so toxic.
 
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