Boro v Derby: some bizarre ideas from the Derby fans forum.....

UTB70

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The goverment wants their taxes paying to tune of 20million plus regardless of derby fans sob stories. Meanwhile rest of clubs incliding boro pay theirs
 

Derby_Red

Well-known member
They can't seem to get their head around that Mel Morris is to blame for their prediciment not Steve Gibson ..

Yep - I was having a chat with a mate last night, he was dragging all the 2021 Boro accounts into it and all sorts of Gibson bile. Defo playing the victim card.

At one point I had to ask him who had done wrong in the first place and he insisted on blaming Gibson for it! He's no idiot, this guy, either (no really). Looks like they're all fomenting conspiracy theories on their board, or generating threads like "would you rather get liquidated than give Boro or Wycombe any money" - some priceless replies on that.

I'm not sure my suggestion of them erecting a statue of Gibson next to the Clough/Taylor one at PP for saving their club by outing Morris went down well, either ;)
 

Angus

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I feel sorry for most Derby fans, they have supported their club whilst others have mismanaged it.

The feelings of many regarding our chairman are misplaced in my opinion but I can understand why they have them. Football fans can be parochial at times.

I look back to 1986 and as so thankful that we had Steve Gibson then, now and hopefully for a long time in the future.
 

Anterimus

Active member
The bounce and the chant that goes with it is so cringy.

They also don't like fans from other clubs commenting on their board. I have tried twice and been booted straight away even though i said nothing inflamitry.

Sensitive lot who refuse to see the truth.
 

davidmills

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just found this on derby forum​

An open letter to supporters of Middlesbrough Football Club and Wycombe Wanderers Football Club​


Posted on January 9, 2022 by lazerock


I write to you as an ordinary fan of a football club which is on its knees. Derby County is in administration and continues to haemorrhage money while its’ administrators grapple with an incredibly difficult situation. We’re told that there are two potential buyers waiting in the wings, but the mess left behind by our previous owner, Mel Morris, means that concluding a takeover is anything but straightforward. Nothing is certain and an institution which has been vital to the fabric of our city and county for well over one hundred years is at serious risk of extinction.

Morris’ stewardship of our club was in my opinion reckless and ultimately ruinous. He spent beyond the club’s means. He gambled with our long-term future, put everything on black and he lost. Now, it is fans like us who are left to contemplate the potential for a future without our beloved club, which has been a fixture, passion, frustration and consolation for all of us for as long as we can remember.

Steve Gibson was onto Morris. He could see that something was amiss and he pursued his grievance via the EFL for as long as it took to bring Morris down. In the end, after protracted legal warfare, it was shown that Morris’ regime had indeed breached financial reporting
standards and so punishment, in the form of a points deduction, should follow. To that extent, Gibson’s position has been entirely vindicated.

The nine-point deduction for financial irregularities, coming on top of the 12-point penalty imposed after Morris placed Derby into administration, effectively condemns the club to relegation this season. The EFL has, in any case, applied stringent embargo conditions which have prevented Derby from competing with its rivals in the transfer market. Barring a miracle, there will be no escape from this straitjacket and we are going down.

I am confident in saying that Derby fans pretty much universally accept that Morris was in the wrong and, of course, the club deserved to be punished as a consequence. We were absolutely appalled, in particular, when we learned that Morris had left a huge tax bill unpaid. We crowdfunded to pay off another shameful unpaid debt, to St John’s Ambulance. But we cannot crowdfund to satisfy HMRC and every other creditor. We don’t have the financial power to save our club, as much as we would love to.
That is why I am asking you to look at our situation with empathy and understanding. We know that Morris’ shenanigans had an effect on the Championship and we understand that you will have been gutted with the outcomes of, in Boro’s case, 2018/9, when you missed the playoffs by a single place and point, and in Wycombe’s case, last season, when you were relegated by a single place and point.
However, at this point, with our club’s future hanging in the balance, I humbly ask you to consider whether your chairmen’s decision to sue our club for financial damages is reasonable or proportionate, when Derby County is at its lowest ebb and at genuine risk of ceasing to exist.
Couhig and Gibson will maintain that they are acting in the fans’ interests, in your interests. I ask you to consider whether that is truly the case in this instance. Even if you believe that your club deserves to be paid millions in damages, please think for a moment about the role your club plays in your community and then try to imagine what your life would be like without it. The impact on our city and county would be crippling.
I recently polled our supporters and found that 39% said that the crisis at Derby County has impacted on their mental health. 10% said that this impact had been significant. Real, ordinary people are being seriously affected by capricious decisions made in boardrooms to which we have no access.
We are not talking here about the temporary fluctuations of promotion and relegation, as important as they are. We are talking about the very serious possibility that our club could die.
Please ask yourselves if you would be happy for your chairmen to help send a fellow professional football club into liquidation and, if not, please contact to ask them to reconsider what they are doing. Make your views known by writing to the club directly, to your supporters’ trust, or other favoured supporters’ group.
It may well be that both of your clubs earn promotion this season. Even if that does not prove to be the case, it is still clear that in the end, properly-run clubs will always prosper. All we are hoping for is the opportunity for new owners to take on Derby County and run the club in an honourable, sustainable way, putting the Morris era firmly behind us.
Thank you for taking the time to read this letter. I’ve always believed that true football fans can speak to fans of any other club and share an understanding of what their club means to them, which is in the blood and is a fundamental love extending way past petty, partisan rivalries.

Yours sincerely,
Ollie Wright
 

Derby_Red

Well-known member
I get the tribal aspects of it and the continuing support stuff, but it's bordering on paranoia and hysteria. They f cked up big style, it's all on their club, don't go looking for someone else to blame. Still can't find one down here who wasn't giving it the old "We're Derby County we do what we want" chant at us from their South Stand. Not one of em the time was blaming Morris even though it was obvious he'd been caught with his pants down.
 

UTB70

Well-known member

just found this on derby forum​

An open letter to supporters of Middlesbrough Football Club and Wycombe Wanderers Football Club​


Posted on January 9, 2022 by lazerock


I write to you as an ordinary fan of a football club which is on its knees. Derby County is in administration and continues to haemorrhage money while its’ administrators grapple with an incredibly difficult situation. We’re told that there are two potential buyers waiting in the wings, but the mess left behind by our previous owner, Mel Morris, means that concluding a takeover is anything but straightforward. Nothing is certain and an institution which has been vital to the fabric of our city and county for well over one hundred years is at serious risk of extinction.

Morris’ stewardship of our club was in my opinion reckless and ultimately ruinous. He spent beyond the club’s means. He gambled with our long-term future, put everything on black and he lost. Now, it is fans like us who are left to contemplate the potential for a future without our beloved club, which has been a fixture, passion, frustration and consolation for all of us for as long as we can remember.

Steve Gibson was onto Morris. He could see that something was amiss and he pursued his grievance via the EFL for as long as it took to bring Morris down. In the end, after protracted legal warfare, it was shown that Morris’ regime had indeed breached financial reporting
standards and so punishment, in the form of a points deduction, should follow. To that extent, Gibson’s position has been entirely vindicated.

The nine-point deduction for financial irregularities, coming on top of the 12-point penalty imposed after Morris placed Derby into administration, effectively condemns the club to relegation this season. The EFL has, in any case, applied stringent embargo conditions which have prevented Derby from competing with its rivals in the transfer market. Barring a miracle, there will be no escape from this straitjacket and we are going down.

I am confident in saying that Derby fans pretty much universally accept that Morris was in the wrong and, of course, the club deserved to be punished as a consequence. We were absolutely appalled, in particular, when we learned that Morris had left a huge tax bill unpaid. We crowdfunded to pay off another shameful unpaid debt, to St John’s Ambulance. But we cannot crowdfund to satisfy HMRC and every other creditor. We don’t have the financial power to save our club, as much as we would love to.
That is why I am asking you to look at our situation with empathy and understanding. We know that Morris’ shenanigans had an effect on the Championship and we understand that you will have been gutted with the outcomes of, in Boro’s case, 2018/9, when you missed the playoffs by a single place and point, and in Wycombe’s case, last season, when you were relegated by a single place and point.
However, at this point, with our club’s future hanging in the balance, I humbly ask you to consider whether your chairmen’s decision to sue our club for financial damages is reasonable or proportionate, when Derby County is at its lowest ebb and at genuine risk of ceasing to exist.
Couhig and Gibson will maintain that they are acting in the fans’ interests, in your interests. I ask you to consider whether that is truly the case in this instance. Even if you believe that your club deserves to be paid millions in damages, please think for a moment about the role your club plays in your community and then try to imagine what your life would be like without it. The impact on our city and county would be crippling.
I recently polled our supporters and found that 39% said that the crisis at Derby County has impacted on their mental health. 10% said that this impact had been significant. Real, ordinary people are being seriously affected by capricious decisions made in boardrooms to which we have no access.
We are not talking here about the temporary fluctuations of promotion and relegation, as important as they are. We are talking about the very serious possibility that our club could die.
Please ask yourselves if you would be happy for your chairmen to help send a fellow professional football club into liquidation and, if not, please contact to ask them to reconsider what they are doing. Make your views known by writing to the club directly, to your supporters’ trust, or other favoured supporters’ group.
It may well be that both of your clubs earn promotion this season. Even if that does not prove to be the case, it is still clear that in the end, properly-run clubs will always prosper. All we are hoping for is the opportunity for new owners to take on Derby County and run the club in an honourable, sustainable way, putting the Morris era firmly behind us.
Thank you for taking the time to read this letter. I’ve always believed that true football fans can speak to fans of any other club and share an understanding of what their club means to them, which is in the blood and is a fundamental love extending way past petty, partisan rivalries.

Yours sincerely,
Ollie Wright
Its not on its knees it has assets in the staidum, training ground, players....sell them
 
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