Stevie Gibson is a red

Hap said:
I have voted Green Labour and Lib Dem, on policy decisions and leadership.

I could never vote BNP, Conservative, UKiP ( or whatever that is now) or even for a communist party. It doesn’t matter what policy they may be offering, that would benefit me specifically, at the time.

There are core values that underpin these parties, and define what type of society we exist in. You cannot flip flop between them, without being ignorant or a sociopath at best.

Bit strong but there you go.
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Some are ‘ignorant’ in the sense they have never seen a world other than the opulence they live in. They don’t want to understand life outside that and will happily vote to keep their status quo.

There are those who do understand the NHS, poverty and social injustice - but it’s not as important to them as protecting their personal wealth and personal interests.

One of my friends can talk long into the night about social injustice and voted for Blair. He has met Rachel Reeves and Wes Streeting and is ‘impressed’ with both.
He has told me he will not vote Labour this time tho.
He is fiercely wealthy, pays his taxes, worked very hard for it, and doesn’t want the risk, however small that is, of it being attacked by a Labour government.

I would use the word ‘selfish’ rather than sociopath - but its a fine balance.

I’ve told him he probably won’t have a choice.
 
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equaliser said:
Broadly speaking, I support the Labour Party "no matter what" because it was formed to try and achieve social justice and because I trust that my 3-400,000 fellow members (or comrades in old English) believe in this aim also - and therefore will try and stay true to it. I trust a Government formed on those principles will act in ways that ultimately benefit 'me, my family, my community, my region and my country'. Is that ok by you?
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Couldn't really care less mate. If you think any MP's are in politics for social justice then you can keep cracking right on in your parallel universe.
 
Gains said:
Couldn't really care less mate. If you think any MP's are in politics for social justice then you can keep cracking right on in your parallel universe.
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And you in your cynical, mean-spirited one where everyone's out for himself - you most of all, natch.
 
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Hap said:
I don’t think it’s that simple.

These ideologies are polar opposite.

To exaggerate, it would be like oscillating between communism and fascism.

Do these people have no idea what the fundamentals are behind the politics?
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They have a lot of common features.
 
equaliser said:
And you in your cynical, mean-spirited one where everyone's out for himself - you most of all, natch.
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I just think the vast majority of politicians enter politics for the benefit to themselves. And why not? I go to work for me and my family.
I just don’t claim to want to make the country better whilst milking every penny I can from it, to the detriment of the people I claim to want to help. Greedy people controlling lives have brought us to the tipping point as they can’t hide their greed as easy as they used to 10 or 15 years ago.
Labour will get in and I will vote for them, but if you think things will change I hope you’re right, I just don’t agree.
 
Gains said:
I just think the vast majority of politicians enter politics for the benefit to themselves. And why not? I go to work for me and my family.
I just don’t claim to want to make the country better whilst milking every penny I can from it, to the detriment of the people I claim to want to help. Greedy people controlling lives have brought us to the tipping point as they can’t hide their greed as easy as they used to 10 or 15 years ago.
Labour will get in and I will vote for them, but if you think things will change I hope you’re right, I just don’t agree.
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Yes but you're not a politician? By very definition the job means you have to serve others.
 
Part of the problem is relevance.

The people with enough financial backing are either too old to appeal to younger people, or from a privileged background. The young working class people who undertake politics as a career are taking a huge risk. If it goes wrong, their profile is such that employers could be hard to find, if politics fails as a career.

But, there are people trying to help and make a difference. And people greasing the pole simultaneously.
 
lostinyorkshire said:
bit like the local labour council have done to this area
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The fact that any local councils have survived is a minor miracle, 30% of councils in the country are in danger of bankruptcy, a number have already fallen, including Tory councils. The fact that Middlesbrough spends 83% of it's budget (the highest in the country) on Adult and Children's social care should be proof enough that it's doing well just surviving.
 
lostinyorkshire said:
bit like the local labour council have done to this area
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This is the greatest con trick the Tories have ever pulled isn't it? Starve Labour councisl of money, force them to go bankrupt. Then blame Labour.

This level of ignorance that the Troies capitalise on is why we will never rid ourselves of them. How do we educate people like lost to not feel for these cheap parlour tricks?
I but he thinks the Tories have increased military spending too
 
fmttmadmin said:
That is totally untrue. There is a long line of MPs that have been crusaders for social justice - even look at 2 Mbro MPs Red Ellen (Wilkinson) to Andy McDonald for instance.
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While you might be right my comment is borne out of frustration at the current crop. I'm no fan of McDonald or historically, Labour in Middlesbrough. A safe seat if ever there was one and treat as such.
 
Gains said:
While you might be right my comment is borne out of frustration at the current crop. I'm no fan of McDonald or historically, Labour in Middlesbrough. A safe seat if ever there was one and treat as such.
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Andy McDonald is one of the most caring blokes you'd ever meet. you may not like his politics, you takes your pick, but people will struggle to say Andy isn't or hasn't been a real crusader for social justice.
 
TheLodger said:
Andy McDonald is one of the most caring blokes you'd ever meet. you may not like his politics, you takes your pick, but people will struggle to say Andy isn't or hasn't been a real crusader for social justice.
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I've never met him. I'd guess most politicians come across as nice people if you do, so I can only base my opinion on his politics, same as most people's opinion of the lot of them.
 
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