Trumps real legacy - fake news

SNOWBANDIT said:
Trump had a point - Puppet on a String
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Both those articles typify the use of fake news… accusations of something without any proof.. a case of saying something and hoping mud sticks… they’re both articles that are at best politically motivated scandal pieces but read more like conspiracy ramblings… there was no proof in anything that was written there… sorry, try harder…
 
I think one of the critical changes in recent years is the rebuttal of factual events, as opposed to differing views on the interpretations of them.

For many years, political discourse was shaped around opinions on events - e.g. event A happens, someone think's it's a good thing, someone thinks it's bad. But that the event itself occurred wasn't (generally) called into question.

The dangerous element of the "fake news" narrative is that protagonists can now, point blank, deny that the event even happened. This is dangerous as it cannot be argued or persuaded against, it's literally "I'm right, you're wrong".

However for me, the real danger (exacerbated by Covid narrative in my opinion) is that this logic is being expanded to cover literally anything, things which were previously accepted as the child of science, logic and knowledge are now "up for grabs" so to speak.

Whilst I appreciate that progress must bring with it change and that mindsets change over time (thankfully in many cases!) I genuinely think the current narrative risks reversing much of the progress gained by societies over the last 100s of years. Scary times.
 
changingman said:
The dangerous element of the "fake news" narrative is that protagonists can now, point blank, deny that the event even happened. This is dangerous as it cannot be argued or persuaded against, it's literally "I'm right, you're wrong".
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Exactly this.

As a Lie has to be proven or disproven as well as in that’s a lie

because x happened when y did this etc

Fake news has no such rebuttal.
 
Jedi boro said:
Exactly this.

As a kid has to be proven as well that’s a lie because x happened when y did this etc

Fake news has no such rebuttal.
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It's a very compelling tactic to be fair, the very reason being that there isn't an argument against!

It's the equivalent of a 2 year old child closing their eyes, putting their fingers in their ears and going "la la la".

Actually, that's probably unfair on 2 year olds.
 
It's been around for a while but both trump & brexit/ the conservatives have normalised it in the eyes of the public; people care about the story if the message supports their view and narrative and don't care once corrected because their mind is already made up. Any evidence is then "experts" or "lefty nonsense".

Similar to people laughing at "funny" videos that are so painfully obviously set up, when told its "still funny". Or people spreading urban legends, they're challenged and instead of admitting someone told them it, it's always true and happened to their friend. People don't just like to go "ah sh*t yeah, I've been done".

Look at the amount of people that still say corbyn terrorist sympathiser or eu bendy bananas or starmer jimmy Saville. You can correct them all you like but look in on them again and they're telling the same message in another post, they don't care if it's true because it sounds true to someone they're spreading it to.

Guy on my Facebook other day spewing a load of reels about how there is no lawful obligation to pay council tax, telling people just to not pay it and they can't make you. Good luck with that! But he's had a dose of being told something that sounds true too.
 
Fake news has always been around in the form of spin, but Trump took telling out and out lies from the realms of the illegitimate and into the mainstream.
His coup attempt continues to this day as he is currently backing the election chances of Big Lie supporters at the state level. He has realised that the levers of power exist at local level and so if he has his supporters in charge of elections then he can undermine the democratic process without having to call up officials and ask them to "just find" enough votes as he did when he lost in 2020.
American democracy is being eaten away at the ground level and it is all part of the fake news fallout.
Trump was at a rally for Michigan's state official elections and one of the speakers there even went as far as to credit him with capturing and killing Osama Bin Laden. All those pictures of Obama in the situation room watching it go down don't matter in the post-Trump world.
The world knows that Russia has committed atrocities and war crimes and short of the West waging war on them, Putin and his cronies will escape justice and continue to dictate the narrative at home. Trump wants that for the US and it is in everyone's democratic interests that the likes of Putin, Trump, Orban and Johnson are not allowed to dictate the future of democracy
 
Jedi boro said:
This absurd mantra he created was always dangerous but we are seeing now how dangerous this hyper conspiracy post truth politics really is as look at the Kremlin now using these same phrases to deny the horrific acts we have seen in Bucha and throughout the Ukraine.

This is that bafoons real legacy
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This is the most I've agreed with one of your posts. The tactics he brought into mainstream politics in such a shameless way are being repeated elsewhere. Fake news and complete disregard for accountability have become acceptable, disgrace.
 
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