What does Carrick need to do

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Bristolboro

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to really prove he has the potential to manage a top side? Get Boro promoted and then keep us there for the first season? if this happens then I think it's goodbye. What do you think?
 
I’d say exactly that but the problem now is the gulf between the leagues which is showing with promoted teams dropping like flies after promotion.

If he takes us up as automatic promotion and we don’t get murdered like others have this season and maybe a cup run.
 
I don't think promotion is enough; it's guaranteed that 3 managers will do that every season, and they aren't all good enough to manage top sides.

He'd have to have us established in the PL for a couple of years to be considered, and keep.playimg his brand of football.
 
The likes of westham are no better than us in the prem we obviously have the small task of getting there before we can realistically compete . When we’re in the top league we have a history of competing more than most of the clubs there to actually win something
 
I don't think there's any questions regarding Carrick's ability. His time here has proven he can improve players and I'm sure an prospective suitors would already have him earmarked. If he got us promoted then it'd be a no brainer for clubs to come looking.
 
If he gets us promoted he’s in a poisoned chalice…
Not enough experience to be considered top drawer…
But in danger of blotting his copy book if we inevitably get relegated….
The problem we have is if we struggle after promotion, the fans will want him gone, if we prosper the bigger teams will come looking…
I think the only way to keep him is back him massively at a risk to our stable(Ish) finances…
Who’d be a chairman of a yo-yo club that you have a massive personal interest in….
 
xxlshirts_fit_all said:
The problem we have is if we struggle after promotion, the fans will want him gone.
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I genuinely believe we’d have to persist with him even if we did get relegated.

Our last season in the PL shows how badly it can go wrong by making the wrong managerial choices.

The PL is a different beast these days compared to our days in the 90’s and 2000’s. Staying up would be extremely difficult. It may take us two bites of the cherry.

Get the PL money in, try to stay up, of course, but if the worst happened. Give ourselves the best possible chance of bouncing back the following season with Parachute Payments, hopefully strengthening our squad during those periods.

Burnley have an outside chance of staying up still, but if they go down they’ll stick with Kompany and will be a decent side next season.
 
On The Bob said:
I genuinely believe we’d have to persist with him even if we did get relegated.

Our last season in the PL shows how badly it can go wrong by making the wrong managerial choices.

The PL is a different beast these days compared to our days in the 90’s and 2000’s. Staying up would be extremely difficult. It may take us two bites of the cherry.

Get the PL money in, try to stay up, of course, but if the worst happened. Give ourselves the best possible chance of bouncing back the following season with Parachute Payments, hopefully strengthening our squad during those periods.

Burnley have an outside chance of staying up still, but if they go down they’ll stick with Kompany and will be a decent side next season.
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I’d like this to be the policy…
I agree that instant relegation doesn’t mean the manager is poor…
He’d gain experience that would be invaluable if we made an instant return the season after…
 
There will be at least 4 teams in the league next season with squads/budgets much larger than ours. If Carrick gets us promoted... He proves his potential as a top manager.
 
If top team means a team that is capable of champions league qualification then probably nothing he does with us will get him that chance. One advantage he has over some of the other English managers is he has a high profile from his paying days and we know that lets managers jump the queue. My guess is if we do get promoted, or even come close, then he has a chance of managing West Ham (as a former player) and maybe one of the other lower/midtable PL teams. If we do really well then of the big teams Man Utd (again former player) might give him a chance.

Realistically other British managers like Dyche, Howe, Edwards, Wilder, Cooper, O'Neil etc have all established teams in the PL and going further back mangers like Allardyce, McClaren, Pulis, Pardew and co. have all had a lot of PL success and got nowhere near one of the top jobs.

I don't think we are at risk of losing Carrick to a top job. I think we will possibly be at risk of losing Carrick to a team that our fans think is barely more than a sideways step and he'll probably (unfairly) get a lot of stick for it but that's just our fans deluded view of ourselves being more than a perennially mid-table championship side.
 
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