Maury_Povich
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I despise this Labour party.
Luciana Berger rejoins Labour Party
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Laughing
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They're seems to be way too much confirmation bias here. The same with the 5 pledges thread.
People are interpreting things completely differently to suite their preconceptions.
Corbyn tweets support for a victim of anti-semitism but it's either too stupid or too blind to apologise or accept the as report findings in full. He can't have it both ways, he was the party leader and if he didn't protect all members, regardless of whether they were a good mp or not it speaks volumes about how weak he was.
If she was plotting behind his back eject her from the party.
Corbyn had 2 elections and failed twice.
Starmer was elected by the party to lead the party. Give him an election or 2 and support him and see where it gets us.
You want Corbyn style politics. It didn't work. Meanwhile milk formula has security measures in some stores to stop new mothers stealing to feed their children.
Consider that fact before calling starmer a tory.
People are interpreting things completely differently to suite their preconceptions.
Corbyn tweets support for a victim of anti-semitism but it's either too stupid or too blind to apologise or accept the as report findings in full. He can't have it both ways, he was the party leader and if he didn't protect all members, regardless of whether they were a good mp or not it speaks volumes about how weak he was.
If she was plotting behind his back eject her from the party.
Corbyn had 2 elections and failed twice.
Starmer was elected by the party to lead the party. Give him an election or 2 and support him and see where it gets us.
You want Corbyn style politics. It didn't work. Meanwhile milk formula has security measures in some stores to stop new mothers stealing to feed their children.
Consider that fact before calling starmer a tory.
I prefer Bumface's description of Starmer.
Colin Warnek
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Laughable post. She’ll be back on the gravy train before long - wouldn’t surprise me if she’s in Keith’s cabinet in a year.
Who next the ‘retired’ Chucker?
Laughing
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I am sure you do. Doesn't make his posts balanced because you like them though.
BoroFur
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Way_Out_West
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Haha, you're so funny. Top work from the board's self proclaimed Mr Nice Guy Peacemaker.
Awful but what are you expecting from the likes of Starmer and Reeves? After the 2011 riots Starmer was running overnight courts to lock teenagers up for posting comments on facebook. Reeves has told us all before she's for austerity and doesn't want the party to do anything for benefits claimants.
Or are you thinking these new mothers will just be so much better off from their covid savings bonds that they wouldn't need to steal any more?
Laughing
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I would expect starmer to have, I dunno, increased the value of milk tokens, for example, which gets rid of the issue overnight.
Not sure if you are missing my point, or I wasn't clear. So let me explain.
Under the tories our babies are going hungry, under labour, any labour, this wouldn't happen. Equating Starmer with the tories is nonsense and Bumface knows it. Yet.....
That's a nice thought. Looks like Labour will win the next election, so hopefully it turns out to be true.
Scrote
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He did accept the report findings in full (he rejected the media interpretation of it) and the report showed that he had nothing to apologise for. He was asked to apologise for something that didn't happen and rightly refused.
As party leader, he tried to fix the existing, broken, process, as evidenced in the report.
This attempt was directly blocked by the people that were running that broken process and claiming that he was the problem, as evidenced in the report.
Corbyn actively tried to protect his members. The right of the party actively worked against that, as evidenced in the report (read the EHRC and Forde reports).
Antisemitism, as a crisis, didn't actually exist. It was a manufactured crisis. There were four potentially actionable cases involving members in a membership of around 500k.
Any party leader can be undermined if enough people within the party machine decide that's what they want to do. However, that is a direct betrayal of members. It isn't bad leadership if no one gives you the chance to actually lead.
If she was plotting behind his back, how would he know about it?
Becoming an authoritarian wouldn't have gone down particularly well either...
I know exactly how you feel ... and whats worse is, I am still going to vote for them
Laughing
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So he was just ineffective? Is that what you are saying?
Scrote
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Was Brian Clough an effective striker for Boro?
Had he scored more than the defence were deliberately shipping then the team as a whole wouldn't have been undermined.
What he did, despite being outstanding, didn't have an effect. Are you really saying that that would be a fair measure of Clough's contribution?
I'd argue that effectivenes relies on everyone doing what they're supposed to do when they're in paid employment.
The right of the party clearly didn't do as they were instructed. Had they done as they were asked, and had it then all gone south, you could blame Corbyn for being ineffective.
As it is, he was deliberately undermined.
Wasn't supposed to be funny mate, There's nothing funny about what's going on in The Labour Party right now. I don't remember ever saying that I was a nice guy. I'm not. I seem to remember you having no problem at all with me when I was slating Boris Johnson on here. If you can't see that Starmer has ruined The Labour Party then I really don't know what to say to you.
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Lefty
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I wonder if the far left will ever wake up to the fact that Corbyn and co handled the antisemitism like incompetent rank amateurs?
All these people complaining Starmer is too much like Blair. Well, can you imagine 3 time GE winner Blair and his advisors being so politically incompetent?
All these people complaining Starmer is too much like Blair. Well, can you imagine 3 time GE winner Blair and his advisors being so politically incompetent?
Big_Nothing
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Difficult to 'handle' the antisemitism when the party you're running is participating in the charade and acting against you from within.
I agree that he should have been more forthright but if he comes out balls to the wall in complete denial and utterly rubbishes it then he leaves himself open to further allegations and ignoring the issue. If he concedes there is an issue then its happened under his watch etc. etc.
Blair didn't have establishment tied wing of the party deliberately working against him because his politics was not viewed by them as a threat to the status quo.
The comparison doesn't hold up. How do you propose Corbyn should have dealt with it? I believe him to have been put into an impossible position and the tarnishing of a man who's politics was built on anti-racism, as a racist is nothing short of a disgrace.
What do you think Blair would have done? Start kicking people out of the party for plotting against him? Kicking out Jewish MP's when he's being accused of anti-semitism?
Genuinely intrigued as to your responses here.
I agree that he should have been more forthright but if he comes out balls to the wall in complete denial and utterly rubbishes it then he leaves himself open to further allegations and ignoring the issue. If he concedes there is an issue then its happened under his watch etc. etc.
Blair didn't have establishment tied wing of the party deliberately working against him because his politics was not viewed by them as a threat to the status quo.
The comparison doesn't hold up. How do you propose Corbyn should have dealt with it? I believe him to have been put into an impossible position and the tarnishing of a man who's politics was built on anti-racism, as a racist is nothing short of a disgrace.
What do you think Blair would have done? Start kicking people out of the party for plotting against him? Kicking out Jewish MP's when he's being accused of anti-semitism?
Genuinely intrigued as to your responses here.
I presume by far left you mean anyone that isn't a Tory because far left would be communism, not mild socialism.
I hope you're left handed otherwise your username is bull****.
viv_andersons_nana
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A problem here is that if you’re going to label those of us who would like to see the NHS funded properly, an end to austerity, some national utilities come back into public ownership, meaningful wealth redistribution, a fairer system for asylum seekers and refugees, more houses built, better bus services - the list goes on - as ‘far left’, then what are you going to label someone who is open to fitting asylum seekers with electronic tags, supports removing the citizenship of British citizens, overrides and undermines the democratic process of their party by chucking people out or welcoming those who actively campaigned and voted against the party… and has lied brazenly to the party, it’s membership, the public and the media on an almost daily basis?
Because to my mind the second group I’m describing there sounds incredibly right wing TBH.
Because to my mind the second group I’m describing there sounds incredibly right wing TBH.