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Heard about this. Seems a really good ideaAnyone set up a business leasing out your own charging points at home?
Heard about this. Seems a really good ideaAnyone set up a business leasing out your own charging points at home?
Home chargers are slow so you would only be able to have a couple of customers a day. And what would the customer do for the 10 hours his car is charging?Heard about this. Seems a really good idea
You keep saying home chargers are slow. Which means you've still failed to grasp the "EV owners do other things" whilst they charge their car.Home chargers are slow so you would only be able to have a couple of customers a day. And what would the customer do for the 10 hours his car is charging?
Nissan sold a dud and duped the public so I should trust them that the next one isn't? One bitten, twice shy and all that. Human nature again.The Prius isn’t an EV. They are tropes I’m afraid. You might not think they are but I’ve seen the mainstream media feeding these mistruths to you guys and have had to correc them time and again.
Glad you mention the leaf, the original one was poor, was a first gen vehicle and is probably used by the anti EV crowd as a great example of how EV don’t work. I suggest you look at current EV, such as the Hyundai GMP platform cars or, well, the new leaf to form your opinions. Using the leaf as an example is like me not wanting a TVR because the Model T was slow…
I don’t see how needing to know where chargers are makes EV not viable? So no one uses a sat nav?
Nissan didn’t “sell a dud” though. They sold a first generation product. Which is the best in class at the time.Nissan sold a dud and duped the public so I should trust them that the next one isn't? One bitten, twice shy and all that. Human nature again.
I'm not so much bothered by GMP EV platforms as GMP platform prices. Is it even at market yet or just another thing in development?
https://www.hyundai.com/worldwide/en/brand-journal/ioniq/e-gmp-revolution
As I said, the mere fact than an app exists and is needed to hunt down chargers means that the charging infrastructure is inadequate. Joe Bloggs just wants to know that there is a charging station within 50 miles when the little orange blinky fuel light comes on in his car.
What are your circumstances of EV use? I'm getting vibes of a company car user that charges at motorway services or at the place of work because of heavy subsidies. Is that the case?
The Sinclair C5 was also best in class at the time.Nissan didn’t “sell a dud” though. They sold a first generation product. Which is the best in class at the time.
Yes the GMP platform is at market. And it has excellent range and charging times. There are various Hyundai, Genesis and Kia models on sale which use it.
Again the app thing is kind of wrong, I guess it just shows lack of willingness to advance on your part. Everyone uses sat nav these days so using technology to navigate us just a thing.
And no, you are very wrong about my use profile. If you’d listen you would have seen that I charge once a fortnight. Hardly conducive to long motorway mileage is it? You’re the one telling me I don’t have enough range
Correct. I’m sure you have a point. But you haven’t made it yetThe Sinclair C5 was also best in class at the time.
so using an app is a standard part of driving? Interesting it’s back to being hypocritical I guess. Using an app is only a problem if it’s an EV ap.Of course I use sat nav to navigate and have been doing so for years. Never, ever have I used it to find a petrol station.
When I travel to the North East. Which I do about three times a year. Not my normally daily journey. I know, from your “empirical evidence” comment that you’re a fan of picking tiny, out of context bits of information and presenting them as the whole fact. But don’t do it when making things up about me please.So where do you charge? You say it take less than 15 minutes so it must be a DC charger?
You keep evangelising for EVs but based largely, if not entirely, on your own experience. In other words, anecdotal.Correct. I’m sure you have a point. But you haven’t made it yet
so using an app is a standard part of driving? Interesting it’s back to being hypocritical I guess. Using an app is only a problem if it’s an EV ap.
When I travel to the North East. Which I do about three times a year. Not my normally daily journey. I know, from your “empirical evidence” comment that you’re a fan of picking tiny, out of context bits of information and presenting them as the whole fact. But don’t do it when making things up about me please.
Most people are not doing 30 or 40 miles a week, more like 200 (200 per week = 10.4k per year) so most people would have far fewer than 27 slots.You keep saying home chargers are slow. Which means you've still failed to grasp the "EV owners do other things" whilst they charge their car.
It's painful sometimes. I don't think you're too dumb to understand the concept but you seem to be struggling.
So let's break it down for me, if I had a home charger. I charge my car once a fortnight. So that would be 27 times I could lease my spot out every two week (supposing I lease it to someone who charges whilst at work and a local who needs charging overnight). That would be a nice little earner might even pay for my own fuel. If I could get some solar and some batteries installed it'd be even more lucrative.
Not really know. I only use my own experience because people arguing the strongest against it do so from a level of ignorance, such as you not grasping the concept of leaving car to charge whilst you do other things.You keep evangelising for EVs but based largely, if not entirely, on your own experience. In other words, anecdotal.
It would be useful to know what your circumstances are and if they are typical of most car users or if you are an outlier in terms of ability to buy an EV (cost) and access to charging.
So, no, you don’t need to charge your car overnight every night. It’s very rare for that to be a need I imagine.Those slots which you would have available would probably be during the day as you would be using it to charge your own car overnight.
Potential customers would want yo use their car during the day, not have it tied to a charger for several hours while they sit on your garden wall catching some rays.
You would need to guarantee when your lease times are.
You would need a two car driveway or park yours on the street (if possible) or be elsewhere when the spot was being leased.
You would need to have liability insurance.
12 Cheapest Electric Car Brands UK | Cheapest Models | Starting Price | Battery (kWh) | Average Real Range (combined driving) in miles | |
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1 | Cheapest Smart EV | Smart EQ fortwo coupe | £22,225 | 16.7 | 60 |
2 | Cheapest MG EV | MG MG4 EV Standard Range | £25,995 | 50.8 | 185 |
3 | Cheapest Vauxhall EV | Vauxhall Corsa-e | £28,555 | 45.0 | 175 |
4 | Cheapest Nissan EV | Nissan Leaf 39 kWh | £28,995 | 39.0 | 145 |
5 | Cheapest Fiat EV | Fiat 500e Hatchback 42 kWh | £29,435 | 37.3 | 145 |
6 | Cheapest Citroen EV | Citroen e-C4 | £29,995 | 45.0 | 165 |
7 | Cheapest Mazda EV | Mazda MX-30 | £30,050 | 30.0 | 105 |
8 | Cheapest Peugeot EV | Peugeot e-208 | £30,195 | 45.0 | 175 |
9 | Cheapest Hyundai EV | Hyundai Kona Electric 39 kWh | £30,450 | 39.2 | 155 |
10 | Cheapest Mini EV | Mini Electric | £31,000 | 32.6 | 110 |
But where are these places where you charge then go off and do other things? Apart from Rockcliffe spa.Not really know. I only use my own experience because people arguing the strongest against it do so from a level of ignorance, such as you not grasping the concept of leaving car to charge whilst you do other things.
Can you charge at home? That list doesn’t seem to have 2nd on it?My previous and current car combined cost less than the current cheapest EV. I had my previous car 10 years and will likely keep my current one 10 years
According to google maps there is one charging station with 4 charge points within 2 miles of me. The next nearest station is 5 miles away. I am not living in the sticks.
Here is a list of cheapest EVs:
Cheap electric car brands
12 Cheapest Electric Car Brands UK Cheapest Models Starting Price Battery (kWh) Average Real Range (combined driving) in miles 1 Cheapest Smart EV Smart EQ fortwo coupe £22,225 16.7 60 2 Cheapest MG EV MG MG4 EV Standard Range £25,995 50.8 185 3 Cheapest Vauxhall EV Vauxhall Corsa-e £28,555 45.0 175 4 Cheapest Nissan EV Nissan Leaf 39 kWh £28,995 39.0 145 5 Cheapest Fiat EV Fiat 500e Hatchback 42 kWh £29,435 37.3 145 6 Cheapest Citroen EV Citroen e-C4 £29,995 45.0 165 7 Cheapest Mazda EV Mazda MX-30 £30,050 30.0 105 8 Cheapest Peugeot EV Peugeot e-208 £30,195 45.0 175 9 Cheapest Hyundai EV Hyundai Kona Electric 39 kWh £30,450 39.2 155 10 Cheapest Mini EV Mini Electric £31,000 32.6 110
Supermarkets: Lidl, Asda, Sainsbury’sBut where are these places where you charge then go off and do other things? Apart from Rockcliffe spa.
Not at supermarkets. Not at retail parks. Not at places of work (a few virtue-signalling corporate gestures apart).
Maybe in Lahndan or a cuple of other metropoli for city workers? I wouldn't know but even if so it would be insignificant.
Well, that went wellI'm afraid it's all over for EVs. Mr Bean has spoken.
I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped
Rowan Atkinson
Well, that went well
Fact check: why Rowan Atkinson is wrong about electric vehicles
Last week we ran a piece by Rowan Atkinson casting doubt on the environmental benefits of electric vehicles. Here Simon Evans of Carbon Brief offers his responsewww.theguardian.com
Hydrogen fuelled cars are a ridiculous idea. Build massive infrastructure to use electricity to make hydrogen to store under extreme pressures with the danger of leaks and explosions all to convert it into mechanical energy.