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SmallTown said:
It was a Mercedes CLS shooting brake seeing as you asked “nicely”

But yes, given I’ve managed to knock back all your other EV tropes good for you to persist with the weight one. It only ignores every single ICE SUV of course, but not like that’s a popular style of car 😂
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That Mercedes is not a like for like comparison to Tesla. Nor are most SUVs.

You don't appear to be of an anaytical bent as you ignore empirical data and replace it with feelies, then throw in a daft Daily Telegraph story about collapsing car parks from left field.

How will ferries supply power to EV chargers?
 
SmallTown said:
Yes I can be saying that
Because I am saying thay
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There's just no way that would happen. The cost to every business installing, running and maintaining chargers is a non starter. They'd have to charge for their use and if it's more than people would pay at home then the people that don't need it won't use them. Because of that they'll have a token number instead and it won't be enough. There is 0% chance that a hotel or supermarket at any point has 100% of spaces with an EV charger.

They doesn't mean EVs won't become ubiquitous, they will, but your utopia of every cat parking space being a charger is not something that will ever materialise.
 
The next EV thing is going to be inductive charging.

"What, you mean to tell me you're still using wired charging ** snigger** ? What is this, the 2020s? You need to upgrade to wireless mate. You'll never go back."

:D
 
ThePrisoner said:
The next EV thing is going to be inductive charging.

"What, you mean to tell me you're still using wired charging ** snigger** ? What is this, the 2020s? You need to upgrade to wireless mate. You'll never go back."

:D
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Just need to turn the road network into a massive Scalextric set, job sorted, no batteries needed. We'd just need a good supply of the brush/braid things that pick the power up off the road.
 
Nano said:
There's just no way that would happen. The cost to every business installing, running and maintaining chargers is a non starter. They'd have to charge for their use and if it's more than people would pay at home then the people that don't need it won't use them. Because of that they'll have a token number instead and it won't be enough. There is 0% chance that a hotel or supermarket at any point has 100% of spaces with an EV charger.

They doesn't mean EVs won't become ubiquitous, they will, but your utopia of every cat parking space being a charger is not something that will ever materialise.
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It's hardly a utopia. I've seen it at Wembley Park. A whole row of chargers. It's heaven. If they can do it everywhere can. And it'll come to a point where not having enough chargers will be the thing that kills off hotels and businesses
 
ThePrisoner said:
That Mercedes is not a like for like comparison to Tesla. Nor are most SUVs.

You don't appear to be of an anaytical bent as you ignore empirical data and replace it with feelies, then throw in a daft Daily Telegraph story about collapsing car parks from left field.

How will ferries supply power to EV chargers?
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That middle paragraph is ridiculous. You just want personal insults. Sorry I keep shooting down your anti EV tropes but, in all honesty, you're not saying anything that hasn't been said and easily dismissed before.

It does go to show how big oil and the relentless anti EV agenda has conned you though. "EV are too heavy" here's the thing. How heavy is a Ford focus compared to a mk ii Escort?

Cars are getting heavier, simple fact. It's never a problem until its a type of car you, for whatever reason, want to argue against. It's quite the hypocrisy.


You haven't used this one yet, but I assume yiu were getting round to it as you're repeating all the tropes "batteries use rare earth metals" yeah, well they use cobalt to refine oil into petrol. Yet that wasn't a problem. All of a sudden now it is.


Once again, God love a trier. I'm sure you actually THINK you're using empirical evidence, but you're actually just repeating mistruths
 
SmallTown said:
It's hardly a utopia. I've seen it at Wembley Park. A whole row of chargers. It's heaven. If they can do it everywhere can. And it'll come to a point where not having enough chargers will be the thing that kills off hotels and businesses
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This is my point exactly. There's 20 chargers. It's an 80k seater stadium. That's not a charger for everyone. Rounding to the closest percent there will be 100% of people that can't plug their car in. It is the same as having no chargers.
 
Nano said:
This is my point exactly. There's 20 chargers. It's an 80k seater stadium. That's not a charger for everyone. Rounding to the closest percent there will be 100% of people that can't plug their car in. It is the same as having no chargers.
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It’s not parking for everyone either? Unless I’m missing something. If you put a charger in every parking space then you haven’t changed the amount of people who park there? If your theoretical stadium only has 20 parking spaces then only 20 people can drive there regardless of whether they want to charge or not. Having chargers simply makes travellers lives easier and makes it more likely your business will succeed
 
Glover_elbow said:
Living the dream charging your EV whilst watching love island ;).

A friend of my wife is a member of Rockcliffe and she regularly uses the spa there whilst charging her EV for nothing.
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Yeah it’s the hopeful logical place to be. It made me laugh when some on here couldn’t grasp the concept of how people charge. I reckon they have an image of us holding the plug in like you would whilst refuelling an ICE vehicle. The reality is closer to your wife’s friend: the car refuels whilst you’re sat in a hot tub
 
ThePrisoner said:
The next EV thing is going to be inductive charging.

"What, you mean to tell me you're still using wired charging ** snigger** ? What is this, the 2020s? You need to upgrade to wireless mate. You'll never go back."

:D
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We had a good talk about EV vs Ice when golfing in Cumbria. One lad has a lovely new Q4, but the plan to get it to a charging point in Cumbrian back waters were a faf on. All diesel runners never had to top up once.

I think EVs are great for those who live & work local, maybe every 2 car house should have an EV.

I’d also think that having universal batteries that when you go to fuel point, drop out the depleted battery and a new one clips in it’s place, it would be a better idea than charging points.
 
Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants said:
We had a good talk about EV vs Ice when golfing in Cumbria. One lad has a lovely new Q4, but the plan to get it to a charging point in Cumbrian back waters were a faf on. All diesel runners never had to top up once.

I think EVs are great for those who live & work local, maybe every 2 car house should have an EV.

I’d also think that having universal batteries that when you go to fuel point, drop out the depleted battery and a new one clips in it’s place, it would be a better idea than charging points.
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I don’t think the battery swap thing is a great idea. Certainly not in this country. I’ve seen a few Bjorn Nyland vids where he tests the Nio ones and I’d much rather charge than that. Again it seems like a solution to appease people who don’t understand that you need to change how you refuel your car: once you switch to EV you’ll be amazed at what your concerns are. And it ain’t how long you are at a charger
 
SmallTown said:
Yeah it’s the hopeful logical place to be. It made me laugh when some on here couldn’t grasp the concept of how people charge. I reckon they have an image of us holding the plug in like you would whilst refuelling an ICE vehicle. The reality is closer to your wife’s friend: the car refuels whilst you’re sat in a hot tub
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Oh come on, get real! I get that there are Gareth Cheeseman's out flashing their wads to signal their status but 95% of the population are not doing spa days at Rockcliffe or Banatyne's while their £50k EV charges up in the car park. Get back to reality if you can still make the connection. Most people won't want to pay £20k for a car, never mind pay hot tub subs.
 
ThePrisoner said:
Oh come on, get real! I get that there are Gareth Cheeseman's out flashing their wads to signal their status but 95% of the population are not doing spa days at Rockcliffe or Banatyne's while their £50k EV charges up in the car park. Get back to reality if you can still make the connection. Most people won't want to pay £20k for a car, never mind pay hot tub subs.
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Oh my god, surely you can’t be THAT awkward and belligerent? That was a single real world example. One that I myself have used. The point you are deliberately avoiding (I assume you understand it, you can’t be that dumb) is we all do something else whilst our EV are refuelling. You know that, to make your comment is pretty poor mate.

I guess though, it’s to deflect from my last post about car weights. This discussion is so typical of the anti EV argument. You repeat one of the tropes, I dismiss it, so you move on to the next trope. And now you’re just choosing to ignore it all and go down some ridiculous route about saying “but we don’t all go to spa days”. You need to be better
 
SmallTown said:
Oh my god, surely you can’t be THAT awkward and belligerent? That was a single real world example. One that I myself have used. The point you are deliberately avoiding (I assume you understand it, you can’t be that dumb) is we all do something else whilst our EV are refuelling. You know that, to make your comment is pretty poor mate.

I guess though, it’s to deflect from my last post about car weights. This discussion is so typical of the anti EV argument. You repeat one of the tropes, I dismiss it, so you move on to the next trope. And now you’re just choosing to ignore it all and go down some ridiculous route about saying “but we don’t all go to spa days”. You need to be better
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They are not tropes, they are valid concerns backed by actual data. You keep deflecting onto car weights, that I didn't mention in the first place but is something you brought up!

Interesting comments in a Guardian article today. The article is a puff piece by a bloke who runs an EV charging map app. The need for an app to locate chargers is in itself an admission that EVs are not currently viable beyond a wealthy niche. Half the chargers are usually knackered as well it would seem.

The die is cast: petrol and diesel engines are dying. The electric age is inevitable​


When the Leaf came out I hoped it would be the turning point for EVs but they soon turned out to be little better than a dodgem at an amusement park. Twelve years on from that launch, and 24 years on from the launch of the Prius, EVs are still in the starting gate so far as mass adoption and are little more than a rich person's toy and tax write-off.
 
ThePrisoner said:
They are not tropes, they are valid concerns backed by actual data. You keep deflecting onto car weights, that I didn't mention in the first place but is something you brought up!

Interesting comments in a Guardian article today. The article is a puff piece by a bloke who runs an EV charging map app. The need for an app to locate chargers is in itself an admission that EVs are not currently viable beyond a wealthy niche. Half the chargers are usually knackered as well it would seem.

The die is cast: petrol and diesel engines are dying. The electric age is inevitable​


When the Leaf came out I hoped it would be the turning point for EVs but they soon turned out to be little better than a dodgem at an amusement park. Twelve years on from that launch, and 24 years on from the launch of the Prius, EVs are still in the starting gate so far as mass adoption and are little more than a rich person's toy and tax write-off.
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The Prius isn’t an EV. They are tropes I’m afraid. You might not think they are but I’ve seen the mainstream media feeding these mistruths to you guys and have had to correc them time and again.

Glad you mention the leaf, the original one was poor, was a first gen vehicle and is probably used by the anti EV crowd as a great example of how EV don’t work. I suggest you look at current EV, such as the Hyundai GMP platform cars or, well, the new leaf to form your opinions. Using the leaf as an example is like me not wanting a TVR because the Model T was slow…

I don’t see how needing to know where chargers are makes EV not viable? So no one uses a sat nav?
 
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