newusername
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Agreed.
Becasuse of all the issues mentioned about the difficulty of identifying breeds, all dogs should have to have a muzzle while out of the house.
The poor kid killed by a dog
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Becasuse of all the issues mentioned about the difficulty of identifying breeds, all dogs should have to have a muzzle while out of the house.
Considering the fighting was outlawed in 1835 ,any remnants of fighting have long been bred out of them ,I have yet to come across an aggressive genuine full breed Staffordshire ,but as I said earlier many people don’t have a clue what a proper Staffordshire looks like ,it’s all to easy to say a cross bread is a Staffordshire if it has the look , if you go off the accepted standards for Staffords size wise they should only stand around the 14 “ mark at the shoulder ,they are not meant to be big dogs ,muscular and well defined yes ,tall no
They all think their little luvlies wouldn't hurt a fly, thats a big part of the problem.
atypical_boro
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There is a scale of how dangerous a breed generally is, and staffies are nowhere near the 0/10 end of it (or the 10/10 end).
I have no doubt that a high proportion of them are well trained and not viscious but the fact is all dogs are dangerous and staffies are more dangerous than plenty of other breeds, for their physical characteristics if nothing else.
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brattleboro
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totally agree!!!!!
Caesium137
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The 5 Most Dangerous Dog Breeds in the UK
For all the muzzling talk, aren't the majority of attacks in the home, not out and about?
- Jack Russell. These tiny balls of energy were originally bred for ratting so it's not surprise that a lack of exercise and training can lead to unwanted aggression piling up. ...
- Staffordshire Bull Terrier. ...
- Pitt Bull Terrier. ...
- German Shepherd. ...
- Rottweiler.
For all the muzzling talk, aren't the majority of attacks in the home, not out and about?
I would never have a dog that could beat me in a fight if it turned, hence I have a Westie. That might seem flippant but yesterday I saw a young women with two XL Bullies on the lead. Now if those dogs went for someone or another dog, what can she possibly do to stop them? Absolutely nothing that’s what. Dogs need socialising and proper training, if they don’t get that then they can be a problem, we all agree on that. Last year, early in the morning, I was walking the dog at 6am as it was too hot in the day, massive dog pops up from nowhere baring its teeth etc at mine. My little lad was terrified, I asked the owner to get hold of his dog and he was really hesitant until I said if your dog attacks mine, I will be attacking you!!!! Who needs that when taking your dog or your kids for a walk.
I would argue that amongst your everyday breeds the Staffordshire is towards the bottom for showing signs of aggression
atypical_boro
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Even if that’s true, it’s nowhere near the bottom in terms of strength and bite.
I’d rather fight off a furious spaniel than a slightly ticked off staffy.
The 5 Most Dangerous Dog Breeds in the UK
But most recent deaths seem to be Bully XL, but a lot of Mastiff - Carne Corso - PitBull type crosses.
- Jack Russell. These tiny balls of energy were originally bred for ratting so it's not surprise that a lack of exercise and training can lead to unwanted aggression piling up. ...
- Staffordshire Bull Terrier. ...
- Pitt Bull Terrier. ...
- German Shepherd. ...
- Rottweiler.
For all the muzzling talk, aren't the majority of attacks in the home, not out and
That list is crazy ,anyone putting a pit bull terrier below a Stafford clearly is talking out their ****
newusername
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I was more thinking along the line "if their dog rips their kids apart
" but you are probably right, it should be all the time.And I bet a spaniel is more likely to bite you than a Stafford ,I have been bitten once in my life ,quite badly ,by a Rottweiler ,his owner set him on me ,do I blame the dog ,no I don’t ,I blame the owner as he set him on me ,which leads us back to the majority of the issues discussed here ,the owner is the cause of the vast majority of attacks either directly or indirectly ,punish the owner correctly ,things might change then .
atypical_boro
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Fully agree about punishing owners but the fact is a spaniel biting me is less likely to do as much as damage as a staffy doing it.
I am not suggesting that owners are not to blame, but some breeds are still “capable” of more damage purely on physical characteristics.
NoloBoro
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Part of me thinks why not, but one of the joys of owning my dog was playing fetch, throwing a stick, or a ball. Mind you, the little **** would never let you have it back. He also quite didn’t differentiate between fingers and stick, he’d have been mortified if he thought he hurt you.
One day he dropped a stick at my feet, I bent down to pick it up but he grabbed it and jumped up, caught me just above the bridge of my nose, his head was like a rock, nearly knocked me cold.
I know this isn’t what the thread is about but just remembered it.
The more I think about it, I cannot see any need to own an XL bully, been reading about them this afternoon. I can’t see the wisdom in owning something that could potentially kill you.
Jonny Ingbar
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And that's an important point, some breeds cause significantly more damage than others.
Jonny Ingbar
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Not sure I agree with that at all.
I do , and I own one , he has never shown any aggression to any dog/cat/person ever , sure if I was a heartless b****d , and put him in a pit with another dog that was intent in killing him he would probably HAVE to fight to save his life , but as fighting dogs no .
Its like saying John down the road is a hard b****d because his great great grandfather twice removed used to box .
Talk of " dog size " having a relevance for legal or illegal legislation is rediculous..
Newfoundland
St Bernard
Great Dane
Old English sheep dog
Tibetan mastiff
Leonberger
Irish wolfhound
Etc etc
Some people like big vehicles for nothing other than status, some for their lifestyle, some for a bit of combination... there's lots of reasons.
Unfortunately there remains far too much status attached to dogs .
There's as many inbred and early crippled designer pure breeds like frenchies / pugs / dachshund/ teapot etc that are mentally unstable through pain and inbreeding,
.. as pit / bully XL etc that are mentally unstable through crap ownership.
There's no doubt that the size of a dog has an impact on the damage it can cause.... as does a vehicle.
All dogs should be on a lead , unless in designated spaces where it's off lead allowed.
If it's off lead in a non designated space , it's actions should be if you had yourself committed them.
If it's off lead allowed space, you are responsible for the actions of your dog , at least comparable with driving .
In your home counts as ' on lead space ' ..
If your dog slips it's lead / escapes the garden / goes radge in your house and wrecks a child .. you as owner are responsible as if you had caused the injury.
Own a dog with more potential, do more time if it goes wrong .
It'll never happen like ..
Newfoundland
St Bernard
Great Dane
Old English sheep dog
Tibetan mastiff
Leonberger
Irish wolfhound
Etc etc
Some people like big vehicles for nothing other than status, some for their lifestyle, some for a bit of combination... there's lots of reasons.
Unfortunately there remains far too much status attached to dogs .
There's as many inbred and early crippled designer pure breeds like frenchies / pugs / dachshund/ teapot etc that are mentally unstable through pain and inbreeding,
.. as pit / bully XL etc that are mentally unstable through crap ownership.
There's no doubt that the size of a dog has an impact on the damage it can cause.... as does a vehicle.
All dogs should be on a lead , unless in designated spaces where it's off lead allowed.
If it's off lead in a non designated space , it's actions should be if you had yourself committed them.
If it's off lead allowed space, you are responsible for the actions of your dog , at least comparable with driving .
In your home counts as ' on lead space ' ..
If your dog slips it's lead / escapes the garden / goes radge in your house and wrecks a child .. you as owner are responsible as if you had caused the injury.
Own a dog with more potential, do more time if it goes wrong .
It'll never happen like ..
Rubbish. They've killed more people ans mainly children than any other breed.
Just because yours hasn't turned yet the rest of them are lovely
And dogs are not people, getting a bit silly now.